Why doesn't Anakin show remorse after Force-choking Padmé?

It's kinda screwed up that Sidious told Vader the lie that he killed her when he really didn't. He choked her, but he didn't actually kill her. She did that herself by losing her will to live.

 

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[b]He does show some remorse in a way. He tells Obi Wan that he made him choke her and then turns away from Padme when she's on the floor, shwoing he regrets it and doesnt want to face up to what he did. I think deep down he knows he was doing wrong but continued to lie to himself to justify what he did
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Shaitan that is not remorse that is placing blame two totally different scenarios.Also him not facing up to the fact that he did it lets a person know he definitely is not remorseful. Heck even in the Visual Dictionary, it states "Darth Vader has no remorse for force choking Padme and dueling his master to the death."


[hr][b]It's kinda screwed up that Sidious told Vader the lie that he killed her when he really didn't. He choked her, but he didn't actually kill her. She did that herself by losing her will to live.
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Yeah he killed her if not physically then emotionally and spritually.

 

Hmmm, well I'd say it's pretty clear to me that he acts out of anger... and that anger never subsides because he is immediately confronting Obi-Wan and redirecting that anger towards him.


Later he learns she has died and, well, "Nooooooooooooooooo!" *destroys room*.

Call me old-fashioned, but that is hardly a lap of honour he does there...

 

Anakin has no time to show remorse immediately after choking her. He has to deal with Obi-Wan. He showed great remorse later, thinking Padme was dead. One could argue that he showed remorse for the rest of his life, which was ultimately expressed by him saving Luke in ROTJ.

 

If he was so angry at obi-wan why didnt he lash out and attack him immediately? instead of just standing there breathing heavily and looking like a kiss bandmember.


SWA.

 

Anakin: "Don't make me destroy you."

He doesn't want to kill him. He wants to give Obi-wan a chance to walk away, but he also knows that this will not happen.

 

Yes, but if a guy hits his wife when he's 25, you wouldn't call him abusive at 30, would you?

 

I nevr want to justify hurting a loved one. But, for Anakin it came in the heat of anger and frustration.

After he time to refelct on it (even though he was badly hurt himself) he did have a great remorse. It is why some on this board even feel sorry for him.

 

I think Anakin's "Noooooooo!" is, as you say, was his way of having great remorse. Do i feel sorry for him though? Well, that's another story.

 

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[b]I nevr want to justify hurting a loved one. But, for Anakin it came in the heat of anger and frustration.[hr]
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Yeah but he is always angry and frustrated. Padme warned him many times like everybody else check your attitude.



[hr]After he time to refelct on it (even though he was badly hurt himself) he did have a great remorse. It is why some on this board even feel sorry for him.[hr]
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Yeah but thats after the fact and the only time he rectifies his error is twenty years later. He wasnt too remorseful when he helped the Empire nearly destroy the galaxy something Padme was trying to combat and bring about peace in it.

 

Exactly. Any remorse he felt is totally useless because it doesn't lead to him acting on it; if anything, it only makes him worse. He supposedly feels remorse; yet he's beating the crap out of their son 20 years later, torturing his friends and threatening to destroy him. Not too mention that he chops off his hand and delivers him to the Emperor.

Remorse goes out of the window when it doesn't make him a better person.

- O_F

 

I'm not entirely sure there was remorse until the suit was on and he realized what he had done. He really was extremely angry at Padme at that moment and felt completely betrayed though she hadn't done a thing.

 

simple answer:

he was about 95% Darth Vader at that point, only 5% Anakin. After the battle, he was 99% Darth Vader, showing very little soul.

 

"You learn that Darth Vader isn?t this monster. He?s a pathetic individual who made a pact with the Devil and lost. And he?s trapped. He?s a sad, pathetic character, not a big evil monster. I mean, he?s a monster in that he?s turned to the Dark Side and he?s serving a bad master and he?s into power and he?s lost a lot of his humanity. In that way, he?s a monster, but beneath that, as Luke says in Return of the Jedi, early on, 'I know there?s still good in you, I can sense it.' Only through the love of his children and the compassion of his children, who believe in him, even though he?s a monster, does he redeem himself."

--George Lucas, quoted in J. Windolf, ?Star Wars: The Last Battle,? Vanity Fair, 2005

"...if you start with Star Wars, then Vader?s just the villain, and that?s it. But you don?t realize that he?s a human being, that he?s got problems you don?t realize that he could have been saved, that he was tricked and can be resurrected."

--George Lucas.

"Luke is Vader?s hope. His motives at this point are purely evil. He simply wants to continue on what he was doing before which is get rid of the Emperor and make himself Emperor. He only sees his son as a mechanism for the ambition. His mad lust of power."

--George Lucas, TESB DVD Commentary.

What happens to Vader after Padme's death has been confirmed, is that he gives up. He knows that he's trapped now. And instead of pulling back, he continues with where he's at. The allure of power is too much for him, so he continues to serve the Dark Side and Palpatine. It just takes Luke's compassion and willingness to forgive him for his crimes, that causes him to come back. Vader starts to realize the flaw of power, which is that it leaves you with nothing but emptiness.

 

Anakin is never truely gone and he certainly isnt the most evil Sith he could be until after he hears of Padme's death.

If he was so evil and so cold after choking Padme he wouldnt have showed emotion to Kenobi:

"I hate you".

A true Sith shows no anger or fear or emotion.

There is always good in him. And he certainly felt bad about what he did to Padme - deep down.

I can see it in is face as soon as he does it and I think its why he had to turn away from the unconcious Padme. Anakin, or Vader I should say, is exceptionally good at passing the buck and justifying his actions. But he felt remorse IMO.

 

He feels bad about everything he's done; i'm not denying that, and choking Padme wasn't the only thing he felt sorry for. But it doesn't get more evil than slaughtering children who have done nothing to you; whether he felt remorse or not.

Palpatine's as true a Sith as it gets; and he always shows anger and emotions when he's fighting. The Sith rely on their passions. They feed upon it. That's why they always tell Jedi to use their anger and fears and whatever in a battle; because it leads to the darkside. The only Sith who doesn't do that is Dooku.

- O_F

 

He feels bad about everything he's done; i'm not denying that, and choking Padme wasn't the only thing he felt sorry for. But it doesn't get more evil than slaughtering children who have done nothing to you; it doesn't get more evil then that, whether he felt remorse or not.

I disagree. The act is evil of course. But the reaction is vital if we are studying the person. Anakin/Vader was in tears about what he had done. That shows he isnt truely cold or pure evil.

Palpatine's as true a Sith as it gets; and he always shows anger and emotions when he's fighting. The Sith rely on their passions.

But even Palpatine has emotions. He just chooses not to use them....often anyway!

My point is, if Palpatine killed the younglings he wouldnt have felt anything negative. When Vader kills them he feels bad.

Also, the Sith never lose it with their emotions. Palpatine never becomes overly passionate. His anger doesnt cloud him. Anakin shows pure anger and emotion when he first tries to kill Kenobi and when he tells him he hates him.

Anakin is always there. Deep down. When the darkness looks as though it has taken over, the light cometh.

 

I'm saying that if he doesn't act upon it (guilt/remorse) then it becomes useless. It's the same with choking Padme; he may have felt remorse (he certainly did when he was told he killed her) but that all goes out of the window when he walks away from her while ranting about his Empire.

You can't show true remorse without actually showing remorse; in the manner that he does it, he nullifies it by not acting upon it. His remorse isn't total; it's there, but not in the way true remorse should be. I agree that he feels bad about everythings he done; but not to an extend where i start feeling sorry for him. I feel sorry for Padme, Obi-Wan, his children, his victims etc etc.

I feel sorry for him when he lays dying in Luke's hands; and not a second before that. He has to earn it; and showing remorse without doing a damn thing about it doesn't cut it.

Palpatine would've probably felt joy

The Sith rely on their passions; be it lust, fear, anger etc etc. Palpatine is no different with this then Vader; he just feels differently. And Vader in RotS is a very mediocre Sith; but he's very much in control in the OT. It isn't until the end that the conflict kicks back in. But before that, he's evil. Just because he has a little bit of good in him somewhere doesn't change that.

Remember; the saga is teaches us that everybody has some good within them (even though Palpatine seems to contradicts that ). But that doesn't mean that those same people cannot be evil. It's our actions and choices that define our persons; and Vader is very much evil in this sense. It's like saying that just because everybody has a darkside; nobody can be called "good" - that's not true. It's the same with Vader; just because he has a inkling of good in him, that doesn't make him NOT evil. It makes him less evil then Palpatine.

But then again, who isn't less evil then Palpatine.

- O_F

 

I'm saying that if he doesn't act upon it (guilt/remorse) then it becomes useless. It's the same with choking Padme; he may have felt remorse (he certainly did when he was told he killed her) but that all goes out of the window when he walks away from her while ranting about his Empire.

Oh I see what your saying. Well, you could say that. But you could also say that by simply feeling such things the light in Vader remains or it shows that there is good him in somewhere.

You can't show true remorse without actually showing remorse; in the manner that he does it, he nullifies it by not acting upon it. His remorse isn't total; it's there, but not in the way true remorse should be. I agree that he feels bad about everythings he done; but not to an extend where i start feeling sorry for him. I feel sorry for Padme, Obi-Wan, his children, his victims etc etc.

I agree with that for sure. He isnt strong enough to act on it. He is too selfish. But all im saying is that it is there - deep down.

I feel sorry for him when he lays dying in Luke's hands; and not a second before that. He has to earn it; and showing remorse without doing a damn thing about it doesn't cut it.

I can see that.

Palpatine would've probably felt joy

True.

The Sith rely on their passions; be it lust, fear, anger etc etc. Palpatine is no different with this then Vader; he just feels differently.

Yeah, I didnt explain myself very well. My point was that Palpatine was able to control his emotions as a Sith. Vader, as per usual, couldnt. And by showing this anger - "I hate you", Vader showed that he still felt emotions. It seems like a bit of a paradox, but by saying he hates Kenobi he showed that he could still love as well. He wasnt pure evil or totally cold.

 

My point was that Palpatine was able to control his emotions as a Sith. Vader, as per usual, couldnt. And by showing this anger - "I hate you", Vader showed that he still felt emotions. It seems like a bit of a paradox, but by saying he hates Kenobi he showed that he could still love as well. He wasnt pure evil or totally cold.

very nice.

 

A true Sith shows no anger or fear or emotion.

There is always good in him. And he certainly felt bad about what he did to Padme - deep down.


1- i had the impression that the jedi were the ones who cant feel emotion fear or anger and the sith could be as sad,happy,scared or angry as they wanted to be.

2- i agree with the 2nd sentence.

 

I honestly believe that Vader's over-vamped "nooooooooo!" is simply because he realizes that his chosen Queen and his 'rightful heir(s)' are dead -- he is "more machine than man," needs an iron lung helmeted suit to survive, and Palpatine holds all of the cards.

He's totally bummed, and Sids absolutely knows it! Hence, the sly smile at Vader's tortured lament.

 

I know what remorse feels like. Im not proud to say this in any way but when I was married, Once I kicked my wife on the bed cause she wouldnt approve and I felt really bad the next day. So I know for a fact that remorse comes later.. could be the next day or the next week. but it comes. Oh and BTW im divorced now.

SWA.

 

i think there is a good argument out there that suggests sith are just as calm as the jedi. look at vader in the OT, he is the epitome of cool. i guess the difference is where they draw their strength from.
i htink there is good reason that palps fears the clash of obi-wan and anakin. anakin just isn't ready to face anything like that. he is all turmoil.

 

He was too consumed by anger to feel remorseful at that time.
Also I think by the time Mustafar occurs Vaders journey becomes
more about attaining power/control then sparing Padme from harm.