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Why was Anakin guarding Padme alone at the end?

Discussion in 'Archive: Attack of the Clones' started by SmoovBillyDee, Aug 5, 2002.

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  1. SmoovBillyDee

    SmoovBillyDee Jedi Padawan star 4

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    This has bugged me ever since I saw AOTC for the first time.

    At the very end, Mace asks Obi-Wan where his apprentice is. Obi-Wan responds that Anakin is escorting Padme back to Naboo. My question is, why did they allow Anakin to go alone?

    Obi-Wan must have known how Anakin felt about her, especially after their little conversation on the clone airship when Padme fell off. Moreover, Obi-Wan's previous assignment, which was to discover who was attacking Padme, had been completed.

    Why would he allow his padawan to continue to be alone with this woman that he loved. Obi-Wan could have easily gone with him and it would have made more sense to have a Jedi Knight protecting her with his apprentice than just the apprentice.

    Any thoughts?
     
  2. Jedi_Learner

    Jedi_Learner Jedi Knight star 5

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    That is a very good question.
     
  3. chanjumar

    chanjumar Jedi Youngling star 1

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    They are alone because they need to get married and have twins that will be the last hopes of defeating the emperor.

    Yoda knows this, I believe. I believe he knows everything-- and is just setting up the one thing that he knows will save them.

    Obi-wan will not defy the order, even if he thinks it's a bad idea. If yoda wants it, then so be it.

    Yoda has a plan.
     
  4. SidiousDragon

    SidiousDragon Jedi Master star 4

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    Ob-Wan may have thought that the emotional strain Anakin had been under, due to the death of his mother, was so high that Padme might provide some comfort and take his mind away from anger. Thus, he might have diecided to let hem stay together, hiding it from the Jedi Council as a kind of pseudo-paternal favour to Anakin. This would prove to be a mistake of course, which is part of the reason Obi-Wan will blame himself for Anakin's fall.
     
  5. zeekveerko

    zeekveerko Jedi Knight star 5

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    "Yoda knows this, I believe. I believe he knows everything-- and is just setting up the one thing that he knows will save them."

    Yoda is a friend of GL! He knows the whole plot before it's going to happen, because he's seen the original trilogy before...

    but seriously, anakin went alone because amidala was no longer in immediate danger, but still needed an escort, and obi was one of the few surviving jedi. he probably had some duties on coruscant.
     
  6. The_Abstract

    The_Abstract Jedi Master star 4

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    That continues to be a tiny little plothole for me too. We all know Anakin's got no arm. He should be back at Coruscant rehabilitating. And the Jedi, or at least Obi-Wan should have some major reservations about leaving those two alone. Some fanfic writers have tried to tackle this issue, but I haven't seen anyone completely get it right. Meditate on this, I will.

     
  7. DarthTerrious

    DarthTerrious Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think Anakin still had part of his mission to finish which was to take Padme home safely.
    Obi-Wan and Mace in their discussion did have a very knowing, worried look when Anakin was mentioned. Obviously Mace had caught on to what was happening with Anakin & Padme.

    And also I can't understand why you can't just accept that they were let because its the way its supposed to be. And anyway its important because this Marriage is a secret which is most likely to be found out in EP3.
    Its more of a plot point than a plothole.
     
  8. SmoovBillyDee

    SmoovBillyDee Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yet they didn't do anything about it. That's just a total lack of responsibility, in my mind. If you're so concerned about it, do something.

    Obi-Wan should have been with Anakin at all times after he found out that Padme and Anakin had it for each other. If Obi-Wan is always there, those two don't get married. Plain and simple.
     
  9. Jake_Barnes

    Jake_Barnes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    It's possible that Palpatine ordered it.
     
  10. DarthTerrious

    DarthTerrious Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    Possibly they had more faith in Anakin than they should have.


    EDIT: Maybe we shouldn't provide real logic to a fantasy element.
     
  11. Aurra_Glow

    Aurra_Glow Jedi Youngling star 1

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    So they can get married...silly!

    The very same reason those seemingly pointless red shields appeared during the "Duel of Fates" scene...so Darth Maul could kill Qui Gon. How else did you expect it to happen?!


    Dr Evil-I'm just going to leave them alone in a room with one guard and an overly elaborate death and assume everything went as planned. What?
     
  12. Sebulba-X

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    Here's a few conjured up points that would make this make sense (to me anyway):

    1. Closure - Obi-Wan, being sympathetic to his padawan's feelings, allows Anakin to take Padme home alone since it's likely that he (Obi-Wan) & Anakin won't see her again any time soon....Or Anakin could have just white lied his way into this situation asking his master for this opportunity for closure so he can move on in his training.

    2. There's too much going on with the start of the Clone Wars to use a excessive amount of manpower for "security" issues. Obi-Wan could simply be needed in the Jedi Temple and having a Jedi Master being a body guard isn't a good allocation of manpower.

    3. Someone officially requested it. This would be Padme or Palpatine...pretty straight forward, either of them would have their own reasons for doing so...strikingly similar ones at that. ;)
     
  13. SmoovBillyDee

    SmoovBillyDee Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The only argument that could hold up for me is if Palpatine or Padme ordered it. But then again, that wouldn't work either. The Jedi are not part of the government. There is a separation there, much like church and state.

    Even if one of those two had ordered it, the Jedi Council's decision would have been absolute. They could have sent Obi-Wan alone or with Anakin and neither Palpatine nor Padme could do anything about it.
     
  14. DarthTerrious

    DarthTerrious Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    The only thing I can think of is that the council or even Obi-Wan think Anakin should fulfil his task and send Padme back to Naboo.

    But since its fantays it doesn't really matter.
     
  15. _Adi_Gallia_

    _Adi_Gallia_ Jedi Youngling

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    it does present a problem doesn't it?we could stay here for months on end and probably not get the right answer because only GL knows. BTW church and state aren't always separate, look back to medieval engand and henry the viii( supreme head of the church of engalnd plus king of england). my guess as it ha been mentioned before is that sending a jedi knight would be a waste of manpower, an 'able' padawan isn't such a bad idea, considering padme's danger is stil here(if they are to assume it was the separists)

     
  16. Jake_Barnes

    Jake_Barnes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    "The Jedi are not part of the government. There is a separation there, much like church and state."

    I can't think of any reason to assume this.
     
  17. _Adi_Gallia_

    _Adi_Gallia_ Jedi Youngling

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    REally in epixodes I & II they act like enforcers and servants of state, look at it chancellor veloram(i know my spellings probably wrong) sent out jedi"ambassadors' to settle problems.

    But this might be my lil' mind
     
  18. Jake_Barnes

    Jake_Barnes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I agree. I think that it would be very strange for the Jedi to disobey the government.
     
  19. _Adi_Gallia_

    _Adi_Gallia_ Jedi Youngling

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    I know, they VERY loyal the the republic
     
  20. _Adi_Gallia_

    _Adi_Gallia_ Jedi Youngling

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    AHA! in count dookus online data bank page it says

    Dooku was a political idealist. He felt that the Jedi weakened themselves by serving an institution as corrupt as the Republic


    So the jedi were always doing what the republic asked/commanded
     
  21. SmoovBillyDee

    SmoovBillyDee Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes, but notice the wording there. It said "serving." This is not the same as being controlled by the Republic. The Jedi are an autonomous group.

    Otherwise, what's the purpose of the Council? If the Republic made all of the decisions for them, the Council would serve no purpose. Yet it does serve a purpose.

    As for never disobeying the government, I hold that at some point they would have to. The Republic will eventually turn into the Empire and we know that the Jedi most definately did NOT serve the Empire. If the Jedi were such slaves to government, wouldn't it be a benefit to have such powerful slaves that would never question you?
     
  22. Jake_Barnes

    Jake_Barnes Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Police and the military serve and are usually autonomous, but only to a certain degree. They are controlled by either a higher authority (Commander-in-Chief, for example) or by the Law itself. In this case, the Commander-in-Chief happens to be the Supreme Chancellor. In the opening crawl of TPM, we learned that the Jedi were dispatched by the Chancellor. In AotC, the assignment of Obi-wan and Anakin to protect Padme was explicitly ordered by Palpatine. This suggests only limited autonomy; they are ordered to do things, and how they accomplish the orders is where autonomy is expressed.

    That said, the Council represents the administration and leadership driving the "how"-question mentioned above. Training, tactics, organization, logistics, infrastructure, recordkeeping, etc.
     
  23. Promiscuous_Jedi

    Promiscuous_Jedi Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Anakin's mission was to protect Padme. He was doing just that. Just because Obi-Wan found out that Nute Gunray was behind the assasination attempts on Senator Amidala's life, doesn't mean that she wasn't out of danger.

    Anakin had a reason to escort her back to Naboo since the Jedi Council assigned him to shield her from danger.
     
  24. Charlie_Martel

    Charlie_Martel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Obi-Wan was probably trying to be nice to Anakin and show that he has faith in him and doesn't just think of him as a "young one." He might have had second-thoughts and thought it was really not a good idea, explaining why he changed the topic when talking with Mace :)
     
  25. DARTH-MUGATU

    DARTH-MUGATU Jedi Youngling star 2

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    It seems that Anakin was just wrapping up his assignment wiht Padmne. Thats all. From the outside that's what it would have looked like.

    No one not even Yoda could have predicted that Ani & Padme would tie the knot. I'm sure once word got out Mace, Ob1 and Yoda spit out whatever Jawa Juice they were sipping. It would be quite a shock. I would love to see what the consequences of the Marriage would be.
     
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