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Why wasn't Han angry at Lando?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by flipmanburn, Apr 8, 2005.

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  1. flipmanburn

    flipmanburn Jedi Youngling

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    If my memory serves me right, didn't Lando sell out Han at the end of TESB? So why did Han show no anger towards Lando in ROTJ? In fact nobody utters a word about it thru the whole film. Please let me know your opinion on this subject. MAY THE SITH BE WITH YOU!
     
  2. Gemini9857

    Gemini9857 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    okay...
     
  3. michaelbacca

    michaelbacca Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Do you not remember when he tried to save Han by telling Chewie and Leia where Boba was taking him? In ROTJ when he and Chewie were in the same cell, Chewie probably told him the whole plan and included the part about when Lando tried to save him and was now pretending to be one of Jabba's guards in order to save him.
     
  4. EH_Pilot

    EH_Pilot Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Probably because he realized the lives of thousands of innocent civilians were more important than that of a traitorous, drug-dealing deserter.
     
  5. HanSolo29

    HanSolo29 RPF/SWC/Fan Art Manager & Bill Pullman Connoisseur star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I would say it was more along the lines of what michaelbacca said. Everything was probably handled off-screen or in-between scenes so that by the time the Rebel briefing came around, they were on good terms again.

    Although, this does kinda bug me why no tension was shown bewteen the two. It would have made things a bit interesting toward the beginning of ROTJ.
     
  6. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Han was happy to be free of the carbonite. The mission was to free Han from Jabba. Also, in trying to escape, it was vital for the heroes to possess a little optimism, teamwork, and hope in order to get the job done. Han knew Lando was trying to fix the problem and he more than did that. As a matter of fact, Han ends up saving Lando during the rescue attempt.
     
  7. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    It's just another one of ROTJ's continuity errors.
     
  8. Darth Kruel

    Darth Kruel Jedi Padawan star 4

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    what mjerome3 said
     
  9. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    I would've still been pissed if someone did something like that to me. But then that's just me I guess. I don't forgive that easy and I can hold grudges for years.
     
  10. RogueScribner

    RogueScribner Jedi Master star 4

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    Why wasn't Han angry at Lando?

    The script was poorly written, that's why. I think we could have sacrificed some muppet action in the beginning to see fifteen seconds of interaction between Han and Lando, before or after Han saved his life. It doesn't take much. Considering how vital Lando's betrayal was in TESB, you'd think a little time would be devoted to squaring Han and Lando in ROTJ. But no, we need to hurry up and get from the Muppets to the Teddy Bears before the kids get bored.

    L8r

     
  11. Zee Zee

    Zee Zee Jedi Youngling star 2

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    Lando sold out Han, Chewie, Leia and 3PO to Vader half way through ESB because he didn't know who Luke was and how Vader's invitation would turn on him.
    This is why Lando allows Han to hit him after Han returns from Vaders "torture". It is this point that Lando realises his mistake and will do anything in his power to "undo what has been done".
     
  12. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I think Han, as any man should, pretty much figured out that Landos hands were tied behind his back. I mean really, 3 persons he hardly knows against an entire civilization? And from what is made clear, it doesn't even seem like Lando owes Han anything. Nor that they are anything close to best friends. They're made out to be "old buddies" who don't even fully trust each other.

    Then there's the fact that Lando had no idea that Vader would start altering the deal on him multiple times. THEN there's the fact that Lando STILL did everything in his power to both save Han AND Hans friends who Lando hardly knew.

    Really, the only reason people would really cry foul over this is because "we" love Han Solo. Lando was beaten, insulted, scoffed at and nearly choked to death over what he did, Han Solo getting angry at him after the fact would've added nothing.

    - O_F
     
  13. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Even as a kid waiting for ROTJ to be released and seeing the pics of Han and Lando confronting each other, I expected Han to be having a go at Lando for what he did in ESB.
     
  14. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I expected Han to be having a go at Lando for what he did in ESB.

    Sort of like he already did, multiple times, in ESB?

    - O_F
     
  15. Lars_Muul

    Lars_Muul Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    When Han heard Lando's scream for help during the battle over the Sarlacc pit, he immediately went to his rescue. Why? Because he cared about Lando. No matter how angry he'd been with Lando, he would never let him die, because they were friends for life.
    After realising that, I don't think Han cared about grudges anymore. Besides, Han had obviously done something to Lando in the past("You've got a lot of guts coming here, after what you pulled"), so I guess he figured they were even.



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  16. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Sort of like he already did, multiple times, in ESB?

    But these pics were from ROTJ. The pics looked as if Han was still p***ed off with Lando, 'cause Han looked like he was scowling and stooping forward in a threatening manner. Little did I know that they were actually mates at that point! Looking at how I'd still feel after being betrayed and almost killed by my best mate, I'd be plenty p***ed for years to come.
     
  17. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Wow wow, when did Lando nearly kill Han?

    And where did you get the idea that they were best mates?

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  18. Bacon164

    Bacon164 Chosen One star 8

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    In their first scene together...
     
  19. Han_Solo_Fan_03

    Han_Solo_Fan_03 Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I agree with Michaelbacca, and HanSolo29. I always thought that when Han and Chewie were in the cell at Jabbas palace, that they had a more extensive talk about what happened , then was shown onscreen. Chewie probably told Han what exactly Lando did.
     
  20. RogueScribner

    RogueScribner Jedi Master star 4

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    I don't find it unbelievable that Han would forgive Lando. I find it unbelievable that their reconciliation occurs off screen. A few lines before the briefing on Home One could acknowledge the events of TESB and square them away. Instead, we're left to imagine that Han and Lando reached an understanding, perhaps telepathically since they never appear to have a conversation prior to their exchange on Home One.

    L8r
     
  21. DARTHFINGERZ

    DARTHFINGERZ Jedi Padawan star 4

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    According to TBones web site the deleted sandstorm scene from ROTJ (according to one version of the script) may have had Han and Lando speaking a bit on things from EsB.

    It looks like it was filmed too.

     
  22. -HD-YaebGinn

    -HD-YaebGinn Jedi Youngling star 3

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    maybe its in the novelization?
     
  23. Obi_Frans

    Obi_Frans Jedi Padawan star 4

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    In their first scene together...

    The one where Han doesn't trust Lando, so he tells Chewie to keep an eye out for him?

    we're left to imagine that Han and Lando reached an understanding, perhaps telepathically since they never appear to have a conversation prior to their exchange on Home One.

    Outside of the fact that there are only 2 ships leaving Tatooine, Lukes X-Wing and the Falcon. And we know that Lando isn't in Lukes X-Wing...which leaves him....in the Falcon :eek:, together with Han.

    Hardly unbelievable that they "could've/might've" had a few things to say to each other.

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  24. Evil_Otto

    Evil_Otto Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Wow wow, when did Lando nearly kill Han?

    When he was an accomplice to Vader freezing him in Carbonite, which could easily have killed him.

    And where did you get the idea that they were best mates?

    As was said, right when they greeted each other in ESB when they hugged each other. And the bit when he told Chewbacca to keep an eye on Lando was obviously done tongue in cheek by the way he said it, 'cause Lando's obviously a scoundrel. Also, when Leia said she didn't trust Lando, Han made his friendship official by saying, "He is my friend." Lastly, if he wasn't mates with Lando, then why would he trust him enough to seek shelter and request repairs for the Falcon from him?

    Outside of the fact that there are only 2 ships leaving Tatooine, Lukes X-Wing and the Falcon. And we know that Lando isn't in Lukes X-Wing...which leaves him....in the Falcon , together with Han.

    And where is Lando supposed to travel, may I ask? Even if Han had a grudge with Lando, he at least owed him a ride off of Tatooine for the rescue attempt.
     
  25. Tyranus_the_Hutt

    Tyranus_the_Hutt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Why wasn't Han angry at Lando?

    I'm sure that if we were to follow a plausible (character) extrapolation through to a straightforward psychological deduction, it would be likely that, following the exploits in Jabba's palace and on the sail barge, etc., Han would be more than a little annoyed with his old pal Lando. It would make sense emotionally for the two to have some sort of discussion about all that has transpired, including, perhaps, a formal apology from Lando, but "Return of the Jedi" is a film that is already overstuffed with confrontations, plot strands, resolutions, action sequences, and dialogue-heavy exposition; it would be interesting, but not practical, to bring abstract closure to this interpersonal matter. The script for "Jedi" is not poorly written, in fact it is actually one of the more emotionally prevalent screenplays of the entire saga, but there are some very noticeable pacing deficiencies (partly a result of editing, I understand) which would not have been overcome with the inclusion of an extended dialogue scene between Han and Lando - there is only a certain amount of information that can reasonably be condensed into the traditional narrative of a film which runs just slightly more than two hours in length. The audience is meant to view Lando's "redemption" (which, interestingly, sort of mirrors Han's transition from selfish rogue to loyal friend in "A New Hope") through his activities in assisting Luke and co., with Han's rescue from Jabba the Hutt. That's as much as we get, and to be completely honest, for the sake of dramatic economy, I am not entirely disappointed that this particular issue (which obviously pertains to events which occurred in "The Empire Strikes Back") wasn't more fully realized.
     
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