Will Anakin Kill Padme?

I just read the latest homing beacon, and I think it holds clues to this debate:

bleak resolution for Anakin Skywalker and Padmé Amidala

The Chosen One succumbs to the call of the dark side, with disastrous consequences for those he loves

Tragedy follows the beautiful Amidala as well

He?s (Anakin) given a glorious moment by George -- I?m so happy with part of the script -- where he truly has to make a choice. In the end, I think that?s a smarter way to go than a slow transformation. It?s more tragic this way

I believe these clues show Padme will die and they are the result of bad choices on Anakin's part. He could possibly kill her indirectly by sending droids to take out politicians/Jedi and she happens to be there. Then, he could make the choice to truly turn.

 

I have always believed that Anakin will believe he's killed her and she gives birth afterwards, IMO it makes him truly tragic and will make his turn more believable.

 

If he does, it won't be wittingly.

I haven't read the whole thread, but I want to throw this in from dehrian on the first page:

Lucas said we'd feel sorry for Anakin. Who here would feel sorry for someone who had killed his own wife?

Exactly. If Anakin willingly kills Padme, no one is going to care whether he's redeemed or not. Vader may be a villian, but from the Lucas interviews I've read and watched, I'm not under the impression that we're supposed to hate Vader. We are supposed to hate Palpatine--who, I'm sure, will use Padme to manipulate Anakin in some way. Palpatine has been using Padme since TPM, when he got her to vote him into power.

 

perhaps I'm missing something big here, but HOW does Princess Leia REMEMBER her if she doesn't live passed episode 3 people? What, Is there a FLASH-FORWARD or something? She was talking about her REAL mother! "Kind, but sad..." remember? Tell me where the proof for her death is...

Maybe Princess Leia just thinks she remembers her real mother - when in fact she doesn't know her? Maybe she remembers her through the Force or something?

Lucas has been known to twist words before.

If she hides on Alderaan as a 'servant' in Bail's house then there is another problem:

Leia has to know that she is her real mother. But Leia says that she dies young. That implies that Amidala dies before the explosion of Alderaan - which would mean that we just assume she dies between 3 and 4. I doubt Lucas is going to leave it open like that.

 

No Anakin doesn't kill Padme....why would he?

 

As someone pointed out in the "Homing Beacon 86" thread, it will be a great ending scene if Sidious kills Padme with Force lightning while Vader watches. Just as watched Luke get almost fried in RotJ. Sidious has foreseen that her son will bring about his ruin. He wants to eliminate that possibility by killing her (like TERMINATOR?) Vader will be brainwashed into thinking that this is all okay for the good of the Empire and the future of the Sith oder and not lift a finger.

He does have this history of standing idly by while people suffer - Alderaan blowing up, Luke getting zapped.

This would make the RotJ scene even more awesome than it currently is!

 

NO.

 

I don't think that Anakin will kill Padme. I think that Obi-Wan will smuggle her away from Anakin, long before she even realizes she's pregnant. Anakin will be furious that Obi-Wan seperated them, especially since Obi's "always holding" Anakin back. That's where they'll duel each other and Obi-Wan will put Ani in a world of hurt, and force him to wear the Vader suit to survive.

 

The newly transformed Vader or Palpatine/Sidious will kill Padme. She will become a traitor to the "Republic" or refuse to accept the "New Order" - and that will be punishable by death.

 

Anakin killing his own wife would be as bad as Anakin killing his own mother, Shmi. Both scenerios would make him totally irredeemable.

IMO, Anakin killing his own wife would totally ruin his redeemption, as it wouldn't really matter to people, anymore. It totally ruins ROTJ, which is about vader's redeemption. Anakin killing his own wife or mother would be a bit too much for MANY, MANY fans. I hope Lucas doesn't go this route.

I mean, why would anyone want Luke to redeem a guy who murdered his mother? I mean, come on!

 

I mean, why would anyone want Luke to redeem a guy who murdered his mother?

Because Luke is about "forgiveness" while Anakin was about "rage and anger"? Because Luke's actions would be a sharp contrast to Anakin killing the Tuskens for murdering "his" mother?

As I said before, I don't think Anakin will directly kill Padme. But it is quite possible that she will die through his inaction, as Luke would have, in RotJ, if he hadn't intervened.

 

Absolutely not.

 

Because Luke is about "forgiveness" while Anakin was about "rage and anger"? Because Luke's actions would be a sharp contrast to Anakin killing the Tuskens for murdering "his" mother?

If Anakin confessed to Luke that he killed Padme before he died, would he be as forgiving?

Anakin will NOT kill Padme, as this puts him beyond redemption. In fact I think that Padme's death will set Anakin off, just as Shmi's death did.

 

Indirectly his fault, sure.

But I don't want him to actually kill her.

 

I hate to sound like a broken record, but here are my thoughts from a previous thread on this subject:

I posted this yesterday in another (now locked) thread:

I think it's safe to say Anakin won't kill Padme. Just the thought shouldn't even cross a Star Wars fan's collective mind. There's some things that are a given, and this is one of them.

The Anakin in TPM and AOTC, the person who had strong feelings for Padme, would never hurt her.

Anakin killing Padme would ruin the saga. Lucas won't do it.

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I'll add:

Anyone who thinks Anakin might kill Padme must've missed where the boat was headed big time with the first two prequels. Lucas' entire setup involving the Padme/Anakin relationship would be for nothing if Anakin kills Padme.

 

I don't think it could possibly be Anakin - but Vader . . . Maybe!

 

The thing here is that everyone is posting saying Padme's death with push Anakin over the edge. That would ruin all the movies, it makes Darth Vader nothing more than a twenty year temper tantrum.

The idea of Anakin/Vader killing Padme may make it harder to redeem his character, but in the end it makes his redemption all the more powerful. This is supposeid to be the darkest of all the films and this would make it so.

We know Padme dies, that's a fact. We know the circumstances of her death are supposed to surprise us. And we know Lucas has based the movies on Campbell's work.

Am shocked by how against this idea people are.

 

That would ruin all the movies, it makes Darth Vader nothing more than a twenty year temper tantrum.

But that is what it is. His redemption didn't just come the last 15 minutes of ROTJ. Lucas' genius was making us go back and watch ESB and see that Anakin was emerging then, that Anakin was in there all along, just buried pretty deep. Luke knew this to be true.

I don't think him murdering his wife would make the redemption all that more powerful at all, in fact it would do the opposite. To me it wasn't the redemption, it was that Anakin WAS in there under the Vader persona. If Padme is killed in this movie, Lucas can throw the tragic hero out the window, and I don't think (I certainly hope it won't) that will happen.

Why does the concept of Vader being tricked make him any less of a bada$$??? I've never gotten where people think that. To me there is nothing more tragic than knowing that he did some of the things he did over the last 20 years of his life without knowing all the facts, because he felt he had nothing else when his wife was murdered, died in childbirth, whatever...

 

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NO!!!!!

Not happening. Sid or one of his minions, but not Vader.

 

If anyone has read or listened to anything Lucas has said (some here apparently have not), they'd know that Anakin has issues with being attached to people, not wanting things to change, as Lucas said on the AOTC DVD, he is attached emotionally to his mother and he will become attached to Padme, which points to Anakin going over the edge after her death. That's how it looks to me.

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DS edit: Please don't make all your posts in bold. Thanks. :)

Ok, but why have bold as an option?

DS edit: To emphasize things, not every single post. That's along the lines of spamming and overuse of html. :)

 

Anikin will not kill Padme. Jedi's are forbidden to love. Anakin's love for his mother pushed him to the dark side once when he killed the Tuscan raiders. His love for Padme will push him further to the darkside when something bad happens to her.

Also, maybe when Vader sees Luke dying, he feels like he is watching a piece of Padme dying, and that is what brings him back to the good side.

 

I like the idea that we will see a parallel incident like Shmi's death with Padme to drive Anakin over the edge again, although I have to admit that the spoiler reports of Padme's death disappointed me (I didn't want her to die), so I'd like to think that Ani thinks she is dead, as some have theorized.

There has got to be some major manipulation from our major manipulator (Palpatine). I support the idea that he's the one who is the real villian that we will hate, as reading this thread made me ask this question:

How evil is Darth Vader, really?

I'm not trying to start a new thread, honest (I think its relevant here). Some have said he blew up Alderaan. But he didn't do it; Tarkin did! (Remember ANH: it's Tarkin's idea to use that form of "persuasion, and then follow through. DV just stands their with his hand on Leia's shoulder..Governer Tarkin's holding Vader's leash). He also may have interogated (sp?) Leia earlier, but it didn't do any permanent damage (he could have killed her through ubertorture a la Spanish Inquisition, had he been truly evil). Granted, one of my favorite scenes in ANH is when he shows true badness by choking the rebel who won't reveal the location of the plans (perhaps he didn't know his own strength). We see him battle ObiWan, but that's personal vendetta. We see him blow up rebel ships, but that's defending his empire, like a good soldier. He force chokes one of the imperial officers, but that's just to restore his faith .

If you look at the other films in the OT, most of his actions are focused on getting to his son (which seems natural, not evil), and quashing the rebellion, as a good imperial should do (after all, do we fault the rebellion for that great line out of a NewsRadio episode where "billions of people were killed when rebel forces destroyed the death star.") Granted, these actions are all consuming and obsessive, but at that point, what does the guy have to live for?

Other than the Jedi purge, which we haven't seen, and we get through ObiWan's "certain point of view" in ANH, what evidence do we have of overwhelming evilness (like Palpatine's level of evilness)?

We need that Palpatine level of evilness for Ani to kill Padme. I just don't see it. I think those (including GL) who have said that we will pity DV after Ep. III are correct. (If you got this far: thanks for listening )

 

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Anakin is not going to turn because Padme dies. It's not going to happen, not because it makes Vader less 'badass' but because it completely invalidates the character Darth Vader and the movies. Ending a temper tantrum is no great accomplishment. Finally turning away from evil and back to good in the face of great risk is.

Anakin has to make a conscious choice to join the darkside. He is not just going to be tricked into the darkside, or join purely out ofanger.

Maybe Anakin himself won't kill her, but he will at least stand aside and allow Palps to do so.

 

I haven't read all the posts here, but I'll say this...

No way.

At least, not unless Lucas wants me to walk out of the theater in the middle of Episode III and burn all my SW merchandise as soon as I get home.

But anyway, aside from that...here's why I don't think it will happen.

Lucas said we'd feel sorry for Anakin. Who here would feel sorry for someone who had killed his own wife?

What dehrian said.

I think that there is some significance to the lines "Someday I will be the most powerful Jedi ever. I will even learn to stop people from dying," and then in ROTJ, "Turn to the Dark Side. It is the only way you can save your friends."

Anakin loves Padme. Even Darth Vader isn't going to kill someone he loves. He had the chance to kill Luke on Bespin and didn't. And he saves Luke from the Emperor in the throne room. Why would he save the son he has only recently met, but kill the son's mother, a woman he has loved since he was nine?

I think Anakin turns to the Dark Side because he thinks the only way he can save Padme is to do so.