Full Series Will Rex die in Season 4?

I actually meant to post that in the season 4 preview thread. My mistake.

 

I only just realised the blue lines on Rex's Phase II armour are from where he soldered together parts of his Phase I armour with the new stuff. I am so stupid.

 

Wish we'd get to see him put it together on screen.

 

Unfortunately it's the kind of thing that would only appeal to the fans like us. The majority of the fanbase just wouldn't care.

 

Yeah, we're much better fans.

 

Oh well, still love the new helmet and armor. It looks kinda confused, like a mixture of good and evil. I wonder how this bodes for the wearer.

 

I must say that "Rex's putting his custom armor together" - kind of stuff is not something I necessarily want to see..... I guess whole thing is just a sign of Rex being like Anakin "I don't want things to change" ,but not really that interesting I would like to see scenes focusing on armor-change- it is nice little fact and okay... we don't need to see everything anyway....

 

I can't see them showing use an armor-patching scene, but I'd love to hear Rex mention his dissatisfaction with Phase II. I also like that he's being put into more complicated situations regarding his superiors (or so we will see, tonight!). I was a bit nervous that Rex's experience with Cut L. were going to be brushed over in future episodes, as TCW is wont to do. So far, though, Rex is shaping up to be a very individualistic clone, indeed.

And since Phase II pretty much screams "Order 66" (and ROTS, in general) to me, seeing Rex rebel even just a little bit against it is cause for much fist pumping. Sorry, but I can't help but see it as foreshadowing. Go Rex!

 

I guess wanting to see Rex patch his armor is kinda selfish. I'm more interested in seeing it on screen as a tinkerer myself than because I'm a fan of the character. I can relate to something new coming along and believing or even knowing its inferior. For example while I'm no soldier and my laptop won't exactly save my life its still an important tool in my everyday life, I hate the new 16:9 screens and have modified two of my previous laptops with high resolution 16:10 screens.

I don't see any evidence yet that Cut is going to be mentioned yet in the Umbara arc. I'm hoping some recollection will be made with "The Deserter". Particularly since the scene when they are playing the game fits in very nicely with the idea of Krell throwing clone lives away in this campaign and Rex feeling clones are now seen as worthless and disposable. Seems like a great opportunity for some overarching continuity if this show will ever take it. It could even be said that Cut fully opened Rex's eyes to it, that's how you make him Rex's Rafiki. Particularly if "The Deserter" happened inbetween "Rookies" and "ARC Troopers" or after "ARC Troopers". I still feel like the dinner table scene could go either way and I also feel like that should be left unambiguous and never directly referenced on screen. Particularly with DBB saying things like -- "We all know Anakin goes through some pretty big changes but how doe that happen for Rex?" -- But the meeting, the scene at the end, and maybe even some off screen interactions are fair game.

 

I'd be really surprised if Cut is ever mentioned in this arc, unless Rex is talking to himself. It would be self incriminating, anyway; Rex disobeyed what he obviously considered his 'duty', by not turning in a deserter. It's not the same thing as disobeying a direct order, of course, but Rex's demeanor at the beginning of that episode made it clear that he despised desertion, at least before the encounter. That wasn't his idea; 'somebody programmed [him] to believe' that desertion was wrong. Any other clone would feel the same way about Cut, and Rex would be both breaking faith with the Lawquane family, and incriminating himself, if he was to bring it up.

I doubt we'll see any pure 'characterization' scenes for Rex, here, but I'm hopeful we'll see continued signs that he's thinking for himself. DBB's clearly hinting that there are some major changes ahead of the Captain. I could see that as referring to a 'darkening' of his character, like Anakin, but that seems a bit silly given the fact that all the clones (with a handful of exceptions) will turn on the Jedi on Order 66. What's the point of building a character towards something he's (presumably) going to do anyway?

And since Rex isn't with Anakin during the Temple march, that also seems like an odd place to take his character. "Rex grows to despise the Jedi, and then... catches a bolt and dies before he gets a chance to actually take out his anger on them." Whoo hoo.

Better to see Commander Appo introduced and contrasted with Rex - Appo being colder, more by-the-books and devoted to following orders, Rex being the freethinker and closet rebel.

From the 'story' perspective, I also think that TCW knows that people like the clones, and they like them as "the good guys". Lines like "an evil I can't well imagine," imply that Rex is indeed supposed to be a hero, not just a cool soldier who does what he's told.

 

I don't think Cut will be mentioned by name per say. Voice overs and flashbacks aren't TCW's style either. It could be as simple as Rex stating -- "Somebody once told me...". -- or reciting a line a dialogue we heard from "The Deserter". No name dropping, no mention of meeting the Deserter.I don't see whats So incriminating about that. We need stuff like that for an overarching continuity. There is only one Cut and we'll know who Rex is talking about if something comes up like that. IU nobody will, not even Jesse, Kix, and Hardcase. Really I kinda hope Cut didn't trust Rex and decided to move his family the hell off of Selucami after that.

On the contrary at SDCC and in an IGN interview Filoni said the Umbara arc will give Rex significant character development. I can't wait to see Rex take some spotlight after being pushed to the background in season 3 and absent almost all of this season. DBB is hinting at major changes in this arc and this season. At SWW 2011 he said something in this arc made him cry, that he honestly didn't want to voice act the scene. Now he said something similar about 99 a year prior so this may be getting blown out of proportion. But I can't wait to see what is going to happen in this arc.

What you find boring I find interesting. I don't want black and white, He's good so he won't do it, he's bad so he'll march right in with Anakin and kill the kids.I want gray. TCW should go into both the hero that is Captain Rex and explore the born killer. I think they'll be setting that up. Ofcourse as much as I'd like to see Rex in the Order 66 timeframe. I think in reality the show will kill him off as a hero and no one will ever have to worry what he did.

I agree Appo should pop up. The more contrasts we see the better. Someone past the programming but bound by duty like Rex, true free thinkers like Cut, and even above averagely creative like Domino Squad should be rarities. We need to see more of the norm. More clones like Wolffe.

Clones in general have been portrayed as heroes and good guys in TCW. Even Co

 

Rex will kill Krell and then Dogma will kill Rex. Then Anakin will kill Dogma and Ahsoka promises she won't tell the Council. As usual, Obi-Wan will be oblivious to everything.

 

Huh? This is exactly when you're supposed to be a character toward something.

Says who?

I have a strong feeling that the Appo we see in ROTS, the guy who says "time for you to leave", will be retconned into Rex.

In the script, Appo is actually one of the guys in the back in that scene, same as in the novelization. The guy who says "time for you to leave" is identified as "clone sergeant" in the script. Then a poster at Comic-Con identified Appo as the guy who says the line, and people ran with it. There are several other inconsistencies with the character.

Because there's confusion as to who Appo actually is in the movie, and because Lucas doesn't care, I think Rex will be the guy telling Bail Organa to leave.

Just a bit of speculation on my part.

 

Perhaps I was unclear. What I mean is that no character development is necessary if Rex is simply going to turn on the Jedi like essentially every other clone. Rex doesn't have to hate the Jedi, or have any strong feelings towards them, in order to turn on them when he's ordered to. So it's wasted character development, in my opinion. The only exceptional thing Rex could do regarding Order 66 is disobey it. Obeying it is the status quo. There's nothing to develop for it.

Well, Rex is a pretty distinct clone; customized armor, kama, twin pistols, those wolf eyes on his helmet. He's hard to miss. And he's not there.

Well, that's an... interesting idea, for certain. The only way to do it would be to tell viewers "Oh, and by the way, that was Rex there talking to Bail." There's absolutely nothing to identify him as Rex in that scene - the signature jaig eye symbols aren't there, and the armor is pure Phase II. Plus, Rex prefers twin DC-17s, not the DC-15 rifle the ROTS clone is holding. There's simply nothing to tie the two together; they're about as far apart as armored clones can be.

There's already talk going around (I think it was even mentioned at a TCW event, once) of Appo's introduction to the series. Retconning Rex into just another one of the Temple march clones is a cop-out I don't think even TCW will stoop to. IMHO, of course.

 

So, who else thought Rex's duty to protect his men speech sounded a bit like Cut's speech about duty to protect his family?

 

Anyone care to post the speech verbatim? I need to catch it tomorrow to recall it correctly (probably pick it up on iTunes, actually - this looks like one to keep!).

 

Basically the only relevant part: "I know you think I'm a coward, Rex. But believe me, I'll fight to my last breath to keep them safe."

 

No, there was more to it than that. Hang on, I'll just bootleg it in the next hour and string the scenes together for a really good comparison. Sorry in advance the clip from "Darkness of Umbara" is gonna suck and my "The Deserter" probably won't look that great either. x_x;

 

Eh... I mean Rex's speech.

Trust me, I've memorized every word of the Cut/Rex dialogue. It's one of my favorite TCW moments. Anything that reflects back to that is good news as far as I'm concerned.

 

Seerow: You sure? Because the rest was mainly this: "Shortly after the Battle of Geonosis, our troop transport got caught between two Separatist gunships. They fired at us with everything they had. We crashed. Most of us were either dead or severely injured. When they started going through the wounded, killing us off, I knew there was no hope. I ran. It still haunts me." There was some minor dialogue in between, but mainly this preceded before what I posted before.

Edit: Rex didn't say anything after Cut's dialogue IIRC. He did say something about he too had brothers that he lost, which he considered to be his family and home.

sacharias: Are you referring to Cut's or Rex's in this new episode? If the latter, I don't think I have the means of locating the episode at the moment. Someone else might post the speech.

 

I'm talking about tonight's episode.

 

Would've helped if you said that originally.

Anyway, yeah, my edit above: "sacharias: Are you referring to Cut's or Rex's in this new episode? If the latter, I don't think I have the means of locating the episode at the moment. Someone else might post the speech"

I usually remember these character moments but I was too busy laughing and facepalming at the third instance of "CT-7567."

 

Sorry for the confusion; I actually posted in reply to Seerow's question regarding tonight's episode. At least someone figured out what I meant. Missed the edit, i guess.

 

Okay so Its not been an hour. I'm excited to discuss this. I know you and I know "The Deserter" scene perfectly sacharias but I thought a side by side comparison would be cool. The clips are even about the same length but I find the dialogue strikingly similar and perhaps there is a connection. Warning contains a spoiler clip from "Darkness on Umbara". Warning 'duty' is said alot in these clips. =P

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoIhNNrh3Do

Damn, have you ever heard Rex yell like that?

 

You can always give him the humanized development, and then have him obey anyway to show that these clones really didn't have a choice, not even in their own minds. It would show that they really were "programmed" to follow orders. I'd be fine with that.

I have no interest in Rex disobeying Order 66.

I guess we'll just have to disagree. First, you have no idea what Rex will look like come Operation: Knightfall. Second, none of the clones in ROTS look like the clones in TCW. They don't have little aesthetic doodles all over their armor. Third, I believe all the clones shown marching up the steps are identical CGI models. They probably did this to save time. Fourth, you can't see every single last clone marching on the Temple. As far as I know no one from LFL has come out and said Rex isn't there.

All they have to do is re-do the scene in TCW with all of Rex's little identifying markers. They could easily edit the next version of ROTS and do the same thing.

Appo getting retconned is just a strong feeling I've had. I could be wrong.