Without the Clones would the Jedi have escaped Geonosis?

Darth-Sinister brought up an interesting point in the "Jar Jar Binks - Destroyer of Galaxies" thread.

This is an interesting idea. Seeing as before the clones showed up in the execution arena there were only about twenty Jedi standing (most of whom we're familiar with). They were obviously out-numbered and refused to surrender and be taken prisoner.

Do you think that they could have lived? Whether they fought their way to victory or ran for their lives, whether they all escaped or only one did. Would Padme survive? Would Anakin? Obi-wan? Mace? What do you think?

On another note, would the Jedi have gone to Geonosis in the first place had Palpatine not gained the powers? After he gained them was when Mace stated he'd take the Jedi to Geonosis. Would he still have without Palpatine gaining power? Without an army to get, would Yoda have gone with Mace?

I think that this can be widely discussed as there are many possibilities and I'd like to see what you guys think.

 

It's unlikely than any of the Jedi on Geonosis would have survived without the clones. However as to the questions regarding Palpatine's emergency powers... In AotC, after the declaration, Mace tells Yoda: "It is done, then." (Or something like that). It does look like if they needed Palpatine to have those emergency powers to move to Geonosis. I have a feeling that the kind of rescue Mace planned would have taken forever to be approved by the Senate if it had gone through the usual red tape. Also, the Clone Army was (ostentatiously) built for the Republic, so I think Yoda also needed Palpatine's go-ahead (or miles and miles of red tape) to just show up on Kamino and acquisition the clones.

 

Ironically, they were in a better position when asked to surrender. Of course, Padme would have eventually died (I don't know how she survived the circle for more than 2 seconds), but if the Jedi fomed up tight, blocked as much as possible, and used Force powers to flatten waves of droids, they could have made it out, but not likely.

Of course, Mace could have just jumped in the air, Force-pushed over the entine arena, and beat up all the Super Battledroids without his lightsaber. Maybe he was just tired that day.

 

Me thinks someone is being sarcastic of the clone wars cartoons.

 

Ironically, they were in a better position when asked to surrender.

Yep in hindsight if they had surrendered, they may have had a better chance of capturing Dooku when Yoda came with the clones.

 

Do you really think Dooku would have taken them captive anyway? I think it was just a pointless gesture. He knew Mace would say no. He isn't crazy enough to take 20 jedi into captivity... thats just stupid.

 

Well, what if they had surrendered and he accepted? Great barganing tools or examples to be made for the Republic, by executing them later.

 

In regards to the post further up about Mace and the Clone Wars cartoons, are we allowed to include how Mace used his power in the cartoons, as well as other jedi, or is that just to OTT and will ppl not regard the OTT powers as cannon for the film?

 

As opposed to killing them on the spot ? I doubt, with the exception of maybe Padme, they would have been great bargaining chips. Egotistical Mace was just overstating his self worth. Besides, that wasnt Dookus plan anyway, he wanted to start a war. And he probably felt Yodas presence coming.

 

Mmmmmmm . . . . . . no!

From the AOTC script:

MACE WINDU: We will not be hostages for you to barter with, Dooku.

COUNT DOOKU: Then, I'm sorry, old friend. You will have to be destroyed.

The DROIDS raise their weapons. ANAKIN and PADMÉ look to each other. COUNT DOOKU raises his hand to give the order to fire. PADMÉ looks up suddenly.

They were seconds away from being Swiss Cheese!

Hostages? Dead Jedi cannot interfere with grand galactic plans.

 

As others have said, I don't think Mace would've sent so many Jedi without having some form of insurance. I know there is some arrogance to the Jedi, but even Mace would comprehend the very large opposition on Geonosis (an army was being built there). Even if Mace went before Palpatine was granted more power, I'm sure the Supreme Chancellor would ensure the Jedi score a 'victory' with massive casualties to show his constituents how badly an army is needed to augment the Jedi.

 

You have to take the CW cartoons with a grain of salt. They are cartoons, and as such action is exaggerated. They defy all kinds of things like logic and gravity, because that's the style. The events that take place can be used in a discussion, though again it's not as accurate as the CW novels or anything on the OS. In fact the events at the end of Vol. 2 directly contradict those in Labryinth of Evil. So take them as you will.

 

We'll chancellor palpataine had really nothing to do with the sending of the clones to Geonosis. Mace, the jedi council and yoda all viewed the emergency transmision from Obi Wan, trasmitted by Anakin on the Naboo spacecraft. When they saw that Yoda went and investigated the clones finding that it was an army created for Republic use, he brings them to Geonosis to save Anakin,Obi Wan and Padme. Also mace rounds up the jedi to go check it out.

No matter what some jedi had to die, and some jedi [Like Anakin,Yoda,Obi Wan and Mace] had to survive for a little something called 'convienent plot'

 

They also viewed it with the Loyalist committee.

It was Bail Organa?s statement: ?The senate will never allow the use of clones.? that initiated Jar Jar?s bright idea. When given emergency powers, Palpatine?s first act was to commission a ?Grand Army of the Republic?. It was at that point that Mace said, ?It is done then.? and prepared to go to Geonosis.

 

The Jedi could go to Geonosis, but not with the Clone Army. Once Palpatine was given Emergency Powers, he could legally grant them the use of the Clonetroopers. If they took them before han, they would be in so much trouble.

Not barganing chips. Examples. Killing them and making it clear to the Republic, that they will not tolerate infiltrators.

 

If they took them before han, they would be in so much trouble.


Yeah, they would. Because Han would shoot first and ask questions later.

 

With out the clones the jedi would be over run by the thousands of droids and the fact they had no way to take down the hevy armored veicals and as Mace Windw said "We are keepers of the peace not solders"

 

Really I would have to say no they would not have been able to escape. I mean really even the best of the Jedi would have dead. Maybe one of htem would have gotten lucky and got off planet. But even then getting away from the planet would have still been really hard.

 

The plan wasn't to have the jedi defeat Dooku on Geonosis by themselves. They were there to stall until Yoda got there with the Clone Army.

 

She did have the Chosen One defending her.

As far as the thread, yes because they likely would have used a different approach without the Clones coming.

However if it was the current plan but no Clones, they probably wouldn't have as while the Jedi could easily have handled a smaller force, there were hundreds of droids and likely there would be a constant stream of them coming up from the factory.

 

Deleted dialogue between Dooku and Mace said that there was a thousand battle droids for every Jedi. At least. They would have all died if the clones hadn't showed up.

But on the hand, would Mace really doom 200 Jedi? I doubt that he would have sent that many if he had no reassurence that back-up was coming. As it is, Mace knew that Yoda had gone off to Kamino to rally the clones.

 

In the AOTC novel, you can tell by his dialogue with Dooku that he wasn't expecting the droids to be there. He just thought it was those glorified buzzards and actually makes a comment along the lines of "1 Jedi is as good as a thousand of those" then is surprised to see the droids coming out