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Something needs to be done about Toprawa and Ralltiir. He’s completely out of control. He blocked me for 4 YEARS just because he didn’t like me. I only did good things for the wiki. I tried to go back on Wook again under a new name many years after he blocked me and contributed 1,000+ edits. I never vandalized the site or added unsourced info. He’s a horrible person. Not only did he block me again; he deleted pages I created that were totally in the right to make. He’d rather damage the wiki then let someone he doesn’t want to edit in peace. He’s completely spiteful for no reason. Why does he decide I can never be on Wookieepedia again? What crime could be so heinous as to permanently ban me? I think something needs to be done with this guy. Like I said. He’s completely out of control. He’s done it to other people as well.

 

So I'm still very new to the new version of canon, and I have liked and referenced the wookiepedia page often, I came across a surprising error (or seeming error) that quite surprised me.

I'm reading through the Aftermath: Life Debt novel, and I used the wiki to refresh my memory about the ships being used in the Aftermath trilogy. The Halo is reestablished pretty quickly as belonging to the bounty hunter on Norra's Imperial hunter team; The Halo belongs to Jas Emari. So far so good. They used it to capture their target in their introductory action sequence early on.

But then Life Debt reintroduces The Moth, which I vaguely thought I remembered. The wiki was able to confirm that it's the ship that Norra was returning home in, whose owner dies a short time later.

My surprise was that The Moth's article has it being used in the introductory action sequence of Life Debt, when I had already just read that it was the Halo in that scene. Weird to see an error like that; SW fans seemed very detail oriented, I'm surprised that was missed.

 

Four months later and virtually nothing's been added about Supernatural Encounters. Dunno what's going on. I added a couple things (using "cut content" headers) but I'm a new grad student; I can't make it a dedicated project.

 

Is there a reason it should be? The idea of adding SE material to existing pages, even as "cut content," seems off to me, especially given the clear edits that wouldn't have made any sense as something that would have been published while Legends was still ongoing (Splendid Ap's universe, for example, is a very blatant dig at Disney's continuity reset; who would have written that in 2012?). I say it's best not to touch it.

 

Cult Encounters WAS added as cut content though, is the thing.

 

They're both articles that were intended for Hyperspace ten years ago, have been kicking around in development Hell since then and only just saw release, is my understanding.

 

My point is, Wook covers other "official but cut" stuff, so why not this one?

 

Probably because the form in which we received it isn't the form it was in when it was cut. Stuff has been added and changed.

 

But the first of the stories HAS had most of its details added despite being in the same boat, is what I'm driving at. Why one but not both?

 

Cuz Wookieepedia is a crowd-sourced endeavor; somebody had the idea to add it and nobody stripped it out yet. That doesn't necessarily means it belongs there, doesn't mean it doesn't either. Just means it's there.

 

Because people either aren't adding it or debating whether it should be added. Plenty of other new content hasn't been added yet either. A lot of canon comics info is missing.

 

Oh huh, didn't know that about the comics thing. Guess it's just the site not moving at the pace it used to, then.

 

It seems that way to me. I think some of Fandom's changes have driven a few people off, but there also seems to be less discussion over material like the comics than usual recently.

 

If it's not an official LFL release, then the Wook shouldn't treat it as official Legends material. In the past, stuff like Jason's Author's Cut to Warfare were approved by Leland and given the green light to be official Legends material, but in a post-Legends world, we're not going to see that kind of green light anymore. The right thing for the Wook to do is to treat Supernatural Encounters as "What Could Have Been" and to add any pertinent info to characters' Behind the Scenes sections.

 

I found this tweet thread interesting on how we put in old stuff from Legends into canon via Wookipedia.






And he's kinda right in a way.....I mean we have something called the 100 Year Darkness, but it only got named drop once and really holds no weight compared to Legends 100 year darkness. Not saying one is better I'm just saying one comic mentioned an event called the 100-year darkness but that doesn't really mean much.

IDK just a interesting observation.

 

I get this guy's argument, but I think he's going after the wrong group of people.



That Wook article on the Hundred Year Darkness is doing nothing except chronicling what's been mentioned in the new EU. It was mentioned in multiple comics and two sw.com databank entries, so it's obviously more than an easter egg and a wink at old EU fans --- it's something that is consciously being used to expand the new canon's lore.

What should Wookieepedia do? Ignore that?

 

@Jeff_Ferguson

I don't have a good answer....but then again it's sorta the thing with dividing it between Legends/Canon...Legends being a thing that is just "This was before the Reboot" and not some sorta separate universe. Especially when you have the Marvel stuff of the 70's and 80's, the Bantman Era stuff, the Del-Ray era, Dark Horse, and 2008 TCW that contradicts 2003-2006 TCW.

I just think it's an interesting conundrum.

 

I think Supernatural Encounters' explanation of a multiverse is the easiest one to swallow, personally.

 

Yeah, it seems like they're complaining about the people who assume that, because the Hundred-Year Darkness has been mentioned, that means the whole story is canon now. Or if Revan is added to Galaxy of Heroes, then KOTOR may as well be considered canon.

That said, some Wookieepedians love conjecturing based on scant information. Any time a familiar-looking ship shows up, it gets an article under its old Legends name, based on an offhand comment from Leland that ship names probably won't get changed. And other oddities: the canon Grysk article was connected to the Legends Yuuzhan Vong one, despite there being absolutely no official connection between the two.

Plus the Fantasy Flight stuff being added to canon seemingly on the whims of various editors. It's sloppy, but it feels like those are exceptions to a rule Wookieepedia generally keeps to.

 

It's not often you'll see me taking the side of Wookieepedia, but honestly, in this particular case I don't see what's so unreasonable. I mean, it's not like he's wrong and ship names do get changed from Legends to canon a lot.

 

It's more that fans are making assumptions because there's a gap in the official information. If a ship doesn't have a canon name, then it shouldn't be given one by the fans. It's as the Twitter user was saying about fans wanting to shove as much of Legends back into canon as they can get away with, simply to plug a gap.

 

I still have a feeling that Lucasfilm throwing out the "canon tiers" system where it's clear what supersedes what will bite them in the hinder eventually.

 

Just wanted to say, welcome to the club. I don't like to throw the word "toxic" around, but the Wook has very much become exactly that. Back in the day, there were a lot more active admins on the site, so one could hope to appeal to reason, but these days it's simply totalitarian rule here. It used to be that obvious trolls and vandals received only 3 to 7-day cooldown bans, but now the definition of vandalism has changed to "perfectly valid edits made a person admin don't likes". Even then, the recent trend of not just reverting edits but outright deleting perfectly valid articles just because they were created by a wrong user seems apalling to me. It's clear that this admin in particular created an atmosphere in which following arbitrary rules is more important than actually presenting relevant content to the reader. Last time I checked, a person was banned for using wrong section header capitalization - something for which there has long been a bot that fixed it automatically!