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The page of Cheravh describe "covered in hard frontier country", and maybe it's that I'm not a native English speaker but what do "frontier country" mean?

 

I feel like that means like the American frontier. Oregon Trail, Wild West, Lewis & Clark, that kinda vibe.

 

So, grasslands, forests, highlands, rivers and natives that don't want you taking their land?

 

Four and a half years later, but Shea, do you still have those casting polaroids of the advisors? I never saved them. And I kinda feel like finally making the article on the sixth one.

 

DO IT

...seriously. This is such a little thing, but it's always seemed so dumb.

 

Yes, I do still have them, along with about 4 images of "Mr. 6th". I'll try and send them later tonight. And by all means, please do give it a go over at Wook! Hopefully they'll have enough sense to realize there should be an article on him. Unidentified Imperial Dignitary, maybe?

Yeah, "lack of notability" was the cheap excuse CadeCalrayn claimed for arbitrarily deleting the article. As though the character isn't seen exiting the shuttle with the Emperor, and that every other one has an article...

 

Oh man. Send me everything you have, especially all the pictures of Mr. Sixth. Either upload them and post them here, or just send them directly to me at gradualferguson@gmail.com . I totally still know how to create a Wook article with specific enough sourcing that even the edgelordiest of admins won't automatically kill it. TOGETHER WE CAN MAKE THE SIXTH ADVISOR LIVE.

(But let me know where the polaroids are from so I can source them )

 

I got the continuity Polaroids from here:

https://www.starwarsarchives.com/dt_gallery/1983-continuity-polaroids/

...but many, many more exist elsewhere. Or so I'm told. They're bound to be out there somewhere, but who really knows. They existed at one point, and hopefully still do. I'm also uploading the 4 core Imperial Dignitary images here:




...and just give me a moment or so for the few other images of "Mr. 6th".

But while I'm here, that excellent site also has two of the only images I've ever seen of the other, even more obscure ROTJ Dignitaries: the Rebel Dignitaries! They can be seen onscreen, and there's several of them, including several women. One of the most overlooked background elements is that the Emperor wasn't the only big character whose world we get a glimpse of via his close advisors- we also see get the same look at Mon Mothma, and the contrast between the two is telling. Compare the sickly looking, dark-clad Imperial Dignitaries to their Rebel counterparts dressed in white and tan, and you suddenly realize that it was just one of many subtle ways that a contrast was given between the good of the Rebellion and the evil of the Empire. Go and watch the Mothma scene again and pay attention to who is in the background- even decades later it is still something hardly anyone realizes.




Now, how that relates to the Wook is very simple: has anybody there ever created articles for any of the Rebel Dignitaries? If their Imperial equivalents merit articles, then surely a few brief articles on the Rebel leaders are also in order. Unless of course they're somehow "not notable"...

 

...and a good view of 6 as filmed:



And since there just has to be proper attribution, here's a view of the full scene from the Trilogy DVD, which can be viewed on versions with alternate angles on players that have that capability:



And of course, there's multiple screenshots from the overhead view at the end of the Emperor's arrival that clearly show there being 6 Dignitaries walking behind him. Starwarsscreencaps has plenty to choose from.

So, we already have articles for all of the other 5 Dignitaries, this guy is clearly in the film, and he's clearly a very important (if unnamed) character given his presence with the Emperor.

Now, there is one further bit I should add, but which remains speculation for now: who the actor was for the Sixth Dignitary. A fellow Dignitary enthusiast and I both agree that it might well be Tony Castleton, who is known to have been an extra in ROTJ (and ANH, apparently) but whose role has never been identified. He's even mentioned in the Making Of book. Going by his Avelyman page:

https://www.aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=108060

...there does seem to be a resemblance, but then again we only have the one Polaroid as a clear enough facial image. Maybe it's him, maybe it isn't. All that matters is that this character will finally have a proper Wook article!

 

I think I asked why several unidentified characters have their own pages instead of just placing the individuals into one page based on their affiliation (Jedi, Separatist, Empire, Rebellion, etc.) similar to what Memory-Alpha has done with Star Trek characters. It would certainly be more useful.

 

Characters that were cut entirely are "notable enough" but this guy isn't!?

 

I actually do think there's a theoretical consistent organizational scheme where this guy indeed isn't notable just for being a film extra - but I doubt very much it was the reasoning at work here. The Wook just doesn't like to admit error.

 

Ah, @SheaHublin , you are a superstar.

And hang on... Mr. Sixth is at the far left of that group shot? Holy crap, you're right. It's not black-robe, who's visible between Palps and Sim Aloo, and it's not Greejatus (the face and the robes are wrong). Yet for some reason I never... realized it was him (even when I was writing the article on the tall-hatted guy in 2011 --- hell, I'm the one who uploaded that image to the Wook in the first place). I thought he was the one hiding behind Kren Blista-Vanee, but nope, that must be Greejatus.

HE'S BEEN HIDING IN PLAIN SIGHT ALL ALONG

 

Behold, in all its glory:

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Imperial_Advisor_(purple_robe)

It's been created, and it's been linked to in a few other articles. It's out there in the world. It took five years, but we did it!

 

Awesomeness! Well done!

The only things left to do now (until more information surfaces) are to get articles up on the Rebel Dignitaries and add Francis Batsoni's name to the article for "Tall Hat", since he has been officially credited for the role.

 

That one was easily done, but I couldn't find an "official" source --- if you know of one better than Nerf-Herders Anonymous or Aveleyman, let me know.

 

Wow, there's a lot of neat stuff kicking around in those continuity photos that I've never seen before. Very cool.

Aside from the sources and references, it would take precious little editing to arrive at the canon version of that same article. I don't know if any or all of the six were confirmed to be aboard at the time of the explosion, or that the canon advisors actually "oversee" their home star systems in the same sense the Legends advisors did... otherwise, as far as I can tell everything else is entirely applicable to canon as well.

 

I'm so surprised half of these guys don't have names. The same source that confirmed there were six also said all of them died, so none of the unknowns can be Pestage or Dangor, at least in the Legendsverse.

Then again it took until 2013 for the last member of the Death Star Council, Trech Molock, to be named.

 

Unnamed Characters from each Film that stand out and deserve names:

The Phantom Menace - the unnamed male and female councillors standing behind Corporal Cid Rushing, the Ishi Tib senator and delegation, the Aleena senator and delegation, the Lethan Twi'lek aide to Orn Free Taa, Yarua's aide, the human delegation under Palpatine before detaching from the wall, Yeb Yeb Adem'thorn's aides, Grebleips' aides, the four humans under Valorum's podium, Ratts Tyerell's wife, the bald human female standing next to Weazel and Watto in the box, the two men with Sebulba in the cafe, the Gungan with the farseein, the Gungan guard that reacts with Jar Jar in the Rep Council chamber, the two men behind Amidala when Chancellor Palpatine arrives with Ebenn Q3 Baobab, the little girl played by Madison Lloyd (Ellie).

Attack of the Clones - Lieutenant Danle's counterpart/Naboo Security Guard, the Gossam in the Entertainment District, the human with the Rodians in Dex's Diner, the human with Gotal hairdo next to the Pacithhip in Dex's Diner, the human at the bar in Dex's Diner, the woman once identified as Lowle Ch'red, the Pacithhip leaving Outlander Club with Palee Ruda, the human female Jedi behind Kit Fisto in run-up and later dies by falling forward, the human male Jedi in brown tunic and white pants in run-up that later dies and spins in the process, the human male Jedi Obi-Wan checks to see if he's alive or not after ceasefire, the human male Jedi that knocks off the battle droid head, the human male Jedi that slashes the droid down, the dark-skinned human female Jedi who kicks the droid, the Kajain'sa'nikto Jedi that jumps over pillar, the Weequay Jedi that roles near pillar, the Kajain'sa'nikto Jedi seen in the background fighting a droideka frequently, the human male Jedi that stabs a droid as Kit Fisto approaches 3PO-headed battle droid, Gorothin Vaggar's aides, the clone with Padme.

Revenge of the Sith - the human senators at Palpatine's arrival standing off to the far right of the screen, the second Quarren senator with the humans, the two human senators behind Palpatine as he speaks to Mace Windu, the human Jedi that fights 501st clones in the temple, other members of Sors Bandeam and Jeswi Ele and Shia Letap's clan, the clone swamp trooper killed with Gree, the unknown Separatist on Utapau, Poggle the Lesser's new aide, the Neimoidian officers on Mustafar, the Pacithhip delegation under Padme during Palpatine's grand speech, designations for the two droids assisting Padme on Polis Massa, Wilhuff Tarkin's Star Destroyer.

Solo - N / A (been kinda busy to watch it multiple times to find unnamed individuals).

Rogue One - several Partisans, Red Twelve, the Shield Gate officer talking to Bodhi Rook and possibly later ordering the shield be closed quickly, Farns Monsbee's astromech droid, the Blue Squadron pilot who acknowledges Blue Leader after Barion Raner, the rebel controller who tells General Draven the squadron has already engaged, the ships that participated at Scarif for the rebels.

A New Hope - the assorted humans in the Mos Eisley Cantina (man with bruise on face next to the Tonnika sisters, the moisture farmer dude, the balding bureaucrat seen walking across the bar as Han leaves), the second Morseerian, individual talking to Danz Borin, the second Jawa with Het Nkik, the two other Rodians with Jabba the Hutt, the ISB officer with Wullf Yularen that pass the disguised rebels, the Rebel Crew Chief, assorted unnamed stormtroopers aboard the Death Star with one line or two, rebel engineer that tells Threepio about getting to work on Artoo, individual controllers that get one camera shot close up or two.

The Empire Strikes Back - that unnamed pilot next to Will Scotian, human female controller sitting with Rieekan over shoulder as Han arrives, human female controller with blonde hair that sits next to Romas Navandar as Star Destroyer fleet arrives, the white-haired human male major played by Jerry Harte, the human female controller played by Marolyn Tuck as Echo Base is abandoned, unnamed Star Destroyer captains (one on the vessel destroyed by asteroids), human male controller that Piett is looking over the shoulder before looking up at Bossk, human male officer played by Trevor Butterfield, the Cloud City engineer working on terminal as the rebels and Lando enter the city, assorted stormtroopers in Cloud City (including the two that accompany Boba Fett), the rebel tanker ship and at least two assorted rebel craft.

Return of the Jedi - the unnamed Weequay that passes the dancers as they get ready for "Jedi Rocks" perfomance, the unnamed Dug, the unnamed human male bureaucrat often seen with Yarna d'al Gargan or Vul Tazaene, the tortured droids' designations, the mercenary pilot on second skiff, second barge gunner knocked down by Leia on the deck, the human male guard fighting alongside Klaatu, the two unnamed Weequays on sail barge, the Weequay skiff master, the three unidentified Imperial advisors mentioned above, the third Dressellian at briefing, the human male officer standing next to Walex Blissex, the human male officer with gray hair standing with the two human female dignitaries, the two Mon Calamari officers standing with Major Haash'n, the human female B-wing pilot at briefing, the dark-skinned human male B-wing pilot at briefing, human male commando sitting with Corporal Janse, the dark-skinned human male commando sitting with Leia, the human male commando that passes Luke, the human male dignitaries behind Lando at briefing, the four human male X-wing pilots sitting with Kin Kian and Karie Neth, the two human male A-wing pilots standing each side of Tycho Celchu, the three A-wing pilots seated at the briefing (one is a dark-skinned human female), the five Y-wing pilots sitting at the briefing, the four Ishi Tib at the briefing, assorted rebel controllers (including the one sitting with Page and Yutani), the dark-skinned human male human male officer seen in Madine's deleted scene on the bridge during the battle though is at the briefing, the unidentified members of the Endor strike team, the unnamed Ewok with big-lips, the four scout troopers outside the bunker, the third Imperial Navy trooper with Vesden and (name escapes me at the moment), Red Two - the Y-wing pilot, the Imperial officer who calls out to Piett and Gherant about the bridge deflector shield, the stormtroopers shot by Leia after she is injured, the Imperial officer who orders stormtroopers to bring the droids down to the others, assorted stormtroopers with lines during the battle, the three unnamed rebel spacecraft, the wingless Liberty type Star Cruiser(s).

The Force Awakens - several Tuanul villagers, the Abednedo at Niima Outpost, the old woman at Niima Outpost, several individuals in Maz's Castle, the human male controller in the crew pit of the Finalizer who informs Hux of the turbolasers being destroyed, several individuals on Hosnian Prime including the old couple that panic, several human controllers in the Starkiller Base control room (including the bald human male, the dark-skinned human female, other human female that begins recharge sequence and the human male talking with Hux before Poe makes his last run), the First Order admiral played by Ronny Bridges.

The Last Jedi - human male resistance officer who says direct hit to the dreadnought, the dark-skinned human male resistance officer sitting or standing with Leia during that initial battle (not Guila Angira), the second Mon Calamari on the bridge (since we can figure out the first one is Commander Sesfan), several individuals in the Canto Casino, the captain of the medical frigate, the human male First Order controller who taps the screen when the shield glitches, the human male resistance officer who acknowledges Holdo's orders on the hangar deck, the blonde-haired human female X-wing pilot that sides with Poe and later flies a ski-speeder, the individual ski-speeder pilots killed, Jober Tavren's co-pilot, the unlucky human male resistance transport pilot, the unnamed human male soldier played by Gareth Edwards, the last few survivors of the Resistance on the Millennium Falcon.

 

Unless I'm thinking of a different character, the Skiff Master did finally get a name a couple years back: Paggetti Rook.

IIRC the Neimoidian guards at Mustafar got names too.

 

I was always jonesing for a complete Red Squadron roster. Thanks to the film and various EU sources we know ten of them (and the callsigns of six of those ten), but two are still a mystery. Jason once mentioned on these forums that he had wanted to nail out the roster in Warfare like he did for Hoth and Yavin, but for various reasons it never came to fruition.

There are a whole bunch of possibilities for the identities of the two missing Rogues/Reds --- Lak Sivrak, who we already know was an X-wing pilot at the battle; Gayla Riemann, who's ID'd by The Truce at Bakura Sourcebook as an X-wing pilot who fought at Endor and Bakura and is later ID'd by Wraith Squadron as a veteran of Rogue Squadron (there would only be the smallest of dots to connect for that one); Hanc Thorben, who served as a Rogue between Hoth and Endor; any of the surviving Rogues from Hoth who were never established as being in one of the other Endor squadrons (Nala Hetsime, Cinda Tarheel, Barlon Hightower, etc).

If it were up to me I'd probably go for Sivrak and Riemann for the sake of non-white-human-male diversity (and since most of the puzzle pieces are already there for both of them, anyway).

And as for Red Two, the Y-wing pilot... I'd either make him Horton Salm's brother, or else Salm himself, folded into Red Squadron mid-battle after the death of Red Two and the near-decimation of Gray Squadron (with Galaxy Guide 5 already having established that several of the Alliance squadrons were devastated during the battle). And hey, that would open up another free spot in the Red Squadron roster.

 

The Weequay Skiff Guard who pushed Luke on the plank was named Pagetti Rook, the Skiff Master was a different character (I dubbed him Natani Rook, Pagetti's brother based on a line from ROTJ).

The Neimoidian guards were named, yes, but I meant the others in the long robes, one of them is Aito Laff.

Also figured Wes Janson was Red Six due to the fact he was Rogue Six in Shadows of the Empire. Gayla Riemann strikes me as Red Eleven and Randi as Red Ten.

I once headcanoned Tarn Mison and Kesin Ommis flew in Red Squadron as Red Twelve and Red Eight respectively.

Once placed Hanc Thorben, Lak Sivrak, Cinda Tarheel and Barlon Hightower into Gold Squadron as well, which was a mixed X-wing/Y-wing squadron in Legends.

When it came to Red Two, always felt he was a different pilot from Salm, maybe a brother, cousin or nephew because he sounded younger. Also chopped and changed to make him Will Scotian, who was Rogue Two at Gall though could've lost his X-wing at Coruscant but survived going EV. As to why Red Two and Red Three were Y-wing and A-wing pilots -- last minute replacements for pilots who fell ill or were out of action.

 

Of the ST characters I think I most want to know the hopping leech-man from Maz's castle, assuming that it's not just an animal.

 

Huh, there's actually another prominent unnamed character in ROTJ, the pilot Wedge addresses as "Red Two"...

...though this seems to be due to another "Fake Wedge"-style goof, as the old card game called this guy Gray Leader Horton Calm, despite this contradicting the movie!

 

Well there's also that sequence where Wedge says "Red three, Red two, pull in" followed by an A-wing pilot saying "Got him", which is then followed by that scene of an A-wing getting shot down by TIE interceptors, which are then destroyed by a Y-wing. The next shot then shows the same A-wing pilot from before, alive and well. Are we the audience just supposed to not be paying too close attention and assume the A-wing pilot is really the Y-wing pilot? Or maybe what's being said in the cockpits has no bearing with the scenes outside? If the latter, then maybe Wedge is talking to someone else entirely when referring to "Red Two"...