Would Padme have died if Obi-Wan hadn't snuck on board her ship?

Padme would NOT have died if Obi-Wan hadn't come out of her ship. After Anakin saw that Obi-Wan was 'with' Padme he went berserk. He was calm until he saw Obi-Wan.

 

She died b/c she saw Anakin had died. Ob1 doesn't matter.

 

PLUS...ObiWan fully intended to protect her...and it wouldn't hurt if she could see Anakin face to face and learn the truth for herself.

it wouldnt hurt a face to face confrontation but a force hand to neck confrontation hurts a lot.

can we blame obi for it ?? lets say 25-75 ,25% of the blame for obi wan for handling the situation poorly and of course most the blame goes to the stupid soon to be barbeque sith lord because he was the one who tried to kill his wife and baby only because she trusted a jedi.

 

OOH. Tres witty! O.K. let me clarify. Padme obviously didn't believe Obi wan...she was going to go to Anakin no matter what he said. This way...she got to see first hand how coo-coo for Sithy puffs he had become. It's not like they were exactly getting along well before Obi Wan showed his face. Don't you know anything about chicks man? When they start crying and looking at you like your a pyscho...It's over!
Maybe...Obi Wan realized that their little heart to heart was heading south....and decided to intervene. Besides...dont blame Obi Wan...blame Lucas...he's the real reaosn why Obi Wan, Padme, and Anakin were all in this dramatic climax anyway. I would bet green money that it was not his intentions to stop and make the audience go..."Dang Obi...whats your problem...this is all your fault" Ya know....maybe he thought we'd place the blame on the child killing,back-stabbing, evil little brat that the whole movie was about....
You know what would be cool? Remeber choose your own adventure books...?....they should do that with movies man!

 

Anakin is gone, clearly the Sith Vader by the time Padme arrives on Mustafar. His conversation with her, when neither he nor Padme yet knows that Obi-Wan is onboard Padme's ship, reveals Vader's 'new' and true intent -- to eliminate the Emperor, take his place as supreme ruler and lead the galaxy as the Chosen One. This may have been why he 'converted' in the first place.

Vaderkin could not trust the Jedi, he could not trust anyone exept himself. He alone knew what was right and what was wrong. If he had to pledge himself to this man that he confided in, whom he trusted as a mentor and friend, and who used HIM like fish bait to reach a level of penultimate power, then Palaptine too would pay for his arrogance, his 'deception' just like all the others.

Padme rejects the alien visage of Vader and his illusions of supreme power and grandeur. Had Obi-Wan not appeared, I believe Vader would then have put Padme on ice til the child(ren) appeared, then tossed his former love away like a useless but once cherished toy. If Padme would not serve by his side, then surely his child(ren) would!

Anakin then would likely have returned to the Emperor's and waited for the opportune moment to take him out. He would rule the galaxy. He would achieve the penultimate POWER -- and Yoda and Obi-Wan would be up the creek without a paddle.

 

I am a long time lurker (I had to go way back in my e-mail to find a username I made a long time ago), but I felt I had something to add to this discussion, so here goes and I hope it makes sense...

I don't think Obi-Wan is to blame at all for Padme's death. IMO, there's not much else he could have done, and I will try to explain my reasons behind this.

Let's say Obi-Wan did stop her before she gets off, to try and warn her or convince her again. I don't think Padme ever expected Anakin to hurt her, so I'm not entirely sure Obi-Wan would have been able to convince her in such a short time that she needed protecting. I haven't seen the movie since June, but IIRC, when Padme runs off the ship Anakin is running to meet her. What is he going to do, just wait at the bottom of the ramp looking at his watch? No, he's going to run onto the ship to see Padme. He'd see her talking, arguing, whatever with Obi-Wan and he'd lose it. The same applies to Obi-Wan walking off the ship with her as protection... as soon as Anakin saw them together, there would be big trouble. Whether he would take his anger out on Padme ("You brought him here to kill me!") or Obi-Wan ("You will not take her from me!") is debatable. However, if they duel and Anakin wins (hypothetically), Padme would still have to be faced with whether or not to go along with his evil plans, and it is established that she would not. If the duel plays out as it does in the film, yes, Padme would be unharmed, but she would possibly still not believe Obi-Wan, which could put her children in danger from Sidious.

See, I think one of the major points of the scene between Padme and Anakin is that she needs to see for herself how twisted he has become. When Obi-Wan talked to her on Coruscant, she did not (or could not) believe what he was saying about Anakin. This is why she rushes to him, she needs to prove to herself that none of it is true. But, after seeing and talking to her husband, she realizes Obi-Wan is right, and she says as much. When she starts to pull away from him ("You're going down a path that I can't follow"), this is when Anakin gets mad at her. If she and Anakin never have this chance to talk, she may never realize how far he had fallen, and therefore I doubt she would accept help from Obi-Wan (or what's left of the Jedi Order) after the fact because she would not trust them.

Okay, so, what if Obi-Wan warns her en route to Mustafar? Well, at this point they are fresh off their conversation on Coruscant, so I don't think she would have finished the trip knowing he was on board and planned to kill her husband. Deconstructing further, if Obi-Wan never gets on her ship (puts a homing beacon on it or something), I think it's an equally, if not more dangerous situation for Padme. It is clear based on how the scene progresses that Padme is not going to go along with Anakin's plans. Once she sees what he has become, she knows she cannot follow, and she says so. Neither of them know that Obi-Wan is there until he reveals himself. I think it's safe to assume that the scene would have gone the same way (up to the point of Kenobi's revelation) if Obi-Wan wasn't on Mustafar at all. I agree with those who say that Anakin was not going to just let her leave, especially after all he had done "for her."

And who knows, maybe Obi-Wan emerged when he did to save Padme, to redirect Anakin's anger. A bit of a stretch, to be sure, but the discussion between her and Anakin was starting to slide downhill rapidly. I think Anakin was blaming it all on Obi-Wan anyway ("Because of Obi-Wan?" when she says she can't follow him down his dark path) before he saw him. IMO, Obi-Wan didn't do anything at all wrong here.

As to the whole "security recordings" issue... It's harder for me to speculate on this, because I don't know if it was even possible for Obi-Wan to copy them. I suppose it would be, but then again it wasn't a normal day at the Temple. Aside from that, any reason I give for him not copying them would just come off as me going out of m

 

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[b]Padme would NOT have died if Obi-Wan hadn't come out of her ship. After Anakin saw that Obi-Wan was 'with' Padme he went berserk. He was calm until he saw Obi-Wan.
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Anakin was never calm, I guess people didnt hear the slight raise in his voice when he said "I dont want to hear anymore about Obi-Wan." and that look he gave Padme like he wanted to slap her in the face and his angry statement "The JEdi turned against me dont you turn against me."

 

In a word, NO. If Obi-wan was as smart as everyone thinks, he would have went to Naboo, and waited for Anakin there. Padme obviously would have been there soon enough to deliver, and he would have caught him at a tender moment. He screwed up big time.

 

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[b]In a word, NO. If Obi-wan was as smart as everyone thinks, he would have went to Naboo, and waited for Anakin there.
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And you think ANakin being a SITH wouldve listened to Kenobi.Also Anakin is not going to Naboo as he already has made his plans known to Padme. He says that dont have to run anymore that he has brought peace to his empire and those plans do not include a baby room in a house on the lake in Naboo.


[hr][b]Padme obviously would have been there soon enough to deliver, and he would have caught him at a tender moment.
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Padme told Anakin she wasnt going along with his plans and its either Anakin's way or no way. Padme wouldve been dead right there on Mustafar. Shes blessed that she was able to give birth to her children.



[hr][b]He screwed up big time.
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Who Anakin yes because he will spend the next 20 years of his life in servitude to an evil Master and a mind full of regret and shame that he allowed his inner demons to take hold once more and cost him the very thing he held so dearly. The novel said in the end "There was no vader only you Anakin Skywalker..... and when you couldve went away with her you didnt too busy thinking about yourself."

 

the bottm line is ObiWan was now a fugitive . so was Yoda. they did't have the luxury of time. they had to act now or never. there was no going to Naboo to wait, they were wanted men. This was Kenobi's only shot. Obiwan could not predict that Anakin would harm his own pregnant wife .

See THEFORCEROCKS we don't disagree on everything.

 

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[b]the bottm line is ObiWan was now a fugitive . so was Yoda. they did't have the luxury of time. they had to act now or never. there was no going to Naboo to wait, they were wanted men. This was Kenobi's only shot. Obiwan could not predict that Anakin would harm his own pregnant wife
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Exactly not even Padme couldve predicted that Anakin would snap and nearly choke the life out of her but hey like Palps said "Darth Vader enjoys hurting people he cares about." and Padme was no exception to the rule. Even the Visual Dictonary states "Darth Vader shows no remorse for force choking Padme or dueling his Master to the Death."

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Agreed.[face_happy]

 

Scenario 1, Obi-wan stays inside. Padme talks to Anakin, he won't have none of it. She starts to leave, he chokes her or worse. Obi-wan comes out and tells him to stop. The duel's on.

Scenario 2, Obi-wan stays on Courscant. Padme tries to leave Anakin after she fails to reach him, he kills her out of blind rage.

Scenario 3, Obi-wan reveals himself to Padme. He convinces her that he won't attack unless Anakin attacks first. They step outside and Anakin sees him. Huge argument, Padme is choked and the duel begins. Or duel begins, but Padme is hurt because she tries to come between them.

Scenairo 4, what we see in the final film.

 

Man, this is twice in a row that I agree with you, Sinister, it's getting scary. Regardless of whether Obi is there or not, Padme is not going to buy into what Anakin is trying to sell her about Palpatine. Sooner or later, Anakin's rage is going to get the better of him.

 

You're right. Either way, Anakin would not let Padme go, so she was basically screwed even if Obi-Wan was there or not.

How about a 5th scenerio?
Obi-Wan reveals himself to Padme and tells her to stay on the ship while he confronts Anakin. Anakin sees him and Padme's ship and makes a conclusion that something was going on with Padme and him, Obi-Wan. A big argument and Padme rushes out of the ship to try and talk to him herself. Anakin sees Padme and suddenly either attacks her or Obi-Wan. Duel starts and Padme manages to flee back to Courascaunt becauase earlier, Obi-Wan told her to get out of there if things did not go well.

Afterwards, Obi-Wan returns to Corascant to get Padme. She gives birth and they both flee to exile.

Anakin, later on, finds Padme and tracks her down. (Regadless if he is in the Vader suit.) They have an argument (At this time, Obi-Wan is in exile on Tatooine.). Padme doesn't want to join Anakin and starts backing to her ship. Anakin kills her in blind rage.

So yeah...Padme was basically screwed from the start...

 

Indeed, she would have.

SWA.

 

Padme would've never stayed on board the skiff, because she felt that she had to protect Anakin from Obi-wan. By the time they settled their arguement, Anakin would've come aboard and seen them together.

 

In the world of hypotheticals, I would hypothesize that Padme would have died had Obi-Wan not come with her. She was destined to die, if not by Anakin's hand then by Palpidious' hand. Without Padme, Palpidious will have eviscerated Anakin of the last attachment or vestige of his humanity following the duel. Anakin had stated that she was his motivation for living and for all of his actions and thefeore she held great control over Anakin. Remove Padme and the vaccuum is filled by Palpidious.

 

Padme would have lived. Anakin attacked her because he felt betrayed that his sweet little Padme could deceive him like that. The entire conversation was alright until Kenobi showed his face. I don't think she was getting through to Anakin, but what happened wouldn't have happened if Kenobi had not been there.

 

You're right, what transpired on Mustafar might not have happened but Palpidious would have eventually offed her in order to gain more control over Anakin.

 

What if this, what if that...

The movie would have been different.

 

Part of me says yes and part says no.

The yes because, Obi-Wan was there to kill Anakin. And he became a threat to Anakin. He also thought that his wife was in on it.

The no because, by the time Padme and co got to him Anakin was on the edge. It's possible that if Padme had not chosen to go along with him Anakin would have killed her.

 

take his place as supreme ruler and lead the galaxy as the Chosen One. This may have been why he 'converted' in the first place.

nope,he turned to learn how to cheat death,the movie makes that much extremely clear.

 

That's not the motivation of the question. The question is if Obiwan was absolutely blameless in his decision to allow a pregnant woman to confront her psychopathic child-killing husband alone. In AotC, Obiwan repremanded Anakin for using Padme as bait and yet he does the same thing with her.

 

In AotC, Obiwan repremanded Anakin for using Padme as bait and yet he does the same thing with her.

he didnt complain to anakin,he only asked.if he had been against the idea of using her as bait in AOTC then he would not have allowed anakin to continue with the plan once he knew what was anakin up to.he asks hm if he is using her as bait and then he says nothing but "its too risky" and the fact that he does nothing about it kinda makes me think that he meant "its too risky but lets do it anyway".

 

No, she would not have died. Anakin loved her too much remember? But he loved her as a material possesion he was too afraid to lose. He would have forcibly grabbed her and taken her before the Emperor. Then who knows what would have happened. But she would not have died at that confrotnation.