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Would Vader ever die of old age?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by NorCalBirdz, Jan 4, 2005.

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  1. NorCalBirdz

    NorCalBirdz Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I was wondering today if Vader would ever die of old age. Obi-Wan says he's more machine than man after all.
     
  2. Mace Windy

    Mace Windy Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    More machine than man, yes, but not totally machine. I have no doubt in my mind that Vader, like any human on lifesupport, would eventually die....



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  3. HanSolo29

    HanSolo29 RPF/SWC/Fan Art Manager & Bill Pullman Connoisseur star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Yea, I would say he would eventually die if he had survived Endor. But I would imagine he would have had a more prolonged life than your average person since he had the Force behind him.
     
  4. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    So long as any organ needed to sustain life was biological, he would most certainly die. It is possible that if he replaced all of his organs with machines he'd live much longer than usual, but you can't replace the brain without killing Vader. So he would've died eventually.
     
  5. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    And for that matter, unless you take the Dark Empire series as canon, so would Palpatine. I always wondered if he ever planned for that, or if he was so arrogant he just didn't consider it something to consider. He was already old enough as it was in the PT, now add 23 years on and the destructive energies of the dark side? He and Vader were liking walking corpses raising an empire together.

    I'm curious as to whether Palpatine ever thought about raising one of his apprentices as an heir to the empire. Seems fitting enough. [face_thinking]
     
  6. DarthLazious

    DarthLazious Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Vader would have lived on.
     
  7. Son_of_Jango

    Son_of_Jango Jedi Youngling star 3

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    nah he woulda died of age sooner or later he is human after all
     
  8. RedeemedJedi

    RedeemedJedi Jedi Youngling

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    Vader would have eventually died simply because he is still partially human. However, through the force, he would have been able to prolong his existance. But the whole incident at Endor kinda messed up that plan.
     
  9. Phantom-Iam

    Phantom-Iam Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yes, eventually.
     
  10. Mace Windy

    Mace Windy Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    "Vader would have lived on."

    Justification, please.



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  11. mjerome3

    mjerome3 Jedi Knight star 6

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    Vader would eventually pass away. The machine that kept him alive sustains him to keep him from dying because of his injuries. Even as a walking life support system, Darth Vader would eventually be vurnable to disease which leads to unavoidable death.
     
  12. Errant_Venture

    Errant_Venture Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Death is the only sure-fire guarantee in life and not even Vader or Yoda could escape that one, no matter how hard one tries.
     
  13. 012387

    012387 Jedi Youngling

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    i think that he would die obi-wan did say that vader was more machine so he would live longer if not forever
     
  14. Darth-Seldon

    Darth-Seldon Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    Even machines die, and he is part man. He is a very sick mortal, so he would surly die. Even if he was so much machine that he wouldn't have a natural "death" his existance would still end just as a car or toaster eventually "die."

    -Seldon
     
  15. Saberwielder315

    Saberwielder315 Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Ya perhaps he would have a bit og a longer life, but he would eventually die. The machine was not the only thing that was keeping him alive after all. If you have read SOTE, You know that Vader used light side powrs to heal himself. He was asmuch dependent on the machine as he was the force.
     
  16. Master_Rebado

    Master_Rebado Chosen One star 6

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    My understanding of Vaders' life support systems was that they did the breathing for his fire damaged lungs.

    This said it would be conceivable that life expectancy for Vader would be considerbly longer than 'normal' - whatever the average life expectancy for a male human in the SW Galaxy is.

    Couple of things to bear in mind: whilst ever in Imperial care Vader would've received the best possible treatment medical science could offer and the he used the Force to prolong his life.

    One possible case of the force being used to extend ones' life: It is interesting how Yoda waited till Luke returned to Dagobah and receive his final instructions from Yoda and then Yoda expires as if this task is all that is left for him to complete.

    And remember - whilst Luke was talking very emotionally in ROTJ when he said:" Master Yoda,you can't die" Yodas' reply: "Strong am I with the Force,but not that strong" suggests that one with sufficient strength in the force could defy death.

    Interestingly,in AOTC Anakin says that he wants to become so powerful as to stop people dying.

    So,maybe he is being emotional too at this point but also why would he feel that such an ability was possible at all?

    Course matters on Death Star II brought all that to a close for Anakin/Vader.
     
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  17. Cheebo86

    Cheebo86 Jedi Grand Master star 3

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    Yes but it would be a long time after ROTJ. He was in his 40's in ROTJ and due to the force most likely his life would last longer than normal. He probably could of had another 40 or so years on him left.
     
  18. Chaotic_Serenity

    Chaotic_Serenity Jedi Padawan star 4

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    The machine wasn't just providing oxygen for his damaged lungs - it was also providing mobility, organ and limb substitution, etc. Take a good look at the skeleton we see in ROTJ frame by frame - he's got some serious support systems connected to his vertebrae. He would be an utter parapelegic entirely incapable of performing some of the most basic bodily functions without that suit.

    He will die. He might live a bit longer, especially if he went through serious cybernetic upgrades, but it's doubtful he would live for a ridiculous amount of time. (Actually, assuming their medical technology is likely far superior to our own, I don't see why the average life span of a human wouldn't have increased by a couple decades.)

    Oh, and Vader in SOTE was *not* using the light side to heal himself. He was using the dark side - his anger over the injustice of his injuries, his hatred of the one who caused them, etc, etc. In fact, it was when he touched the light side due to his happiness over the success of the healing that he lost the ability to heal all together. And thus, at that point, was forced to admit Anakin still lived somewhere in him. :)

    As for the Force...I don't see why somebody would be unable to overcome death using it. The Force is part of the natural world in SW, the binding power of the galaxy. All things are connected through it; the cycle of life would hardly be considered an exception to the rule. The general consensus seems to be that the Force brings existence, sustains existence, but it is also where all things eventually return to in death. Jedi just have the ability beyond normal humans to touch the living Force but not to control it. They can manipulate it's use for their own but they are ultimately subject to its will.
     
  19. Jedi_Knight_Jonas

    Jedi_Knight_Jonas Jedi Master star 3

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    He probably had another good 40-50 years in him.
     
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