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X-wing Books: Proton Torpedos

Discussion in 'Literature' started by LaraNotsil, Nov 27, 2002.

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  1. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    I'm almost certain that one pin is enough to pop a balloon, [face_mischief].
     
  2. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    The effectivness of a 1.5 kiloton proton torpedo is proportional to what squadron is fireing them, or what hero characters use them.


    X-Wing lasers are between 1-2 kilotons. Based on laser ratings for Jedi Starfighters and Slave 1.

    Proton Torpedo yields are in the tens of megatons to multi-hundred-gigaton.

    Example: Slave 1 AOTC missile: 191 megatons

    Acclamator main-guns: 200 gigatons.

    Those Acclamator guns are heavy weapons aboard a Clone Wars-era troopship.

    To knock out shields of something like an Interdictor, we're talking gigaton or even teraton torpedoes.

    However, proton torpedoes probably refers to a whole family of missiles, where as you have heavy, high-yield, anti-fighter, ground-assault types. There is canon support for this, as Arca's vessel chronicalled in the Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology is equipped with "high-yield proton torpedoes."

    For example, in the EG: Weapons and Tech they say that Proton Torpedos carry nuclear warheads...now this would be enough to shred any non-sheilded craft (Like Ties) within at least a 8 KM radius.


    You are wrong. They are actually correct. Except the nuclear weapons are directional-blasts.

    Stop deriving nuke knowledge from media.

    TIEs are made (like all SW stuff) from hyperdurable materials (superconducting hulls imbedded with hyperdense neutronium--stuff from neutron stars) that nuclear missiles can't scratch.

    SW2 ICS identifies that each of the missiles on the gunships carried warheads unleashing directional blasts (think like anti-tank shaped charges--they direct blast force) comparable to modern-day high-yield strategic nuclear weapons. Much of the energy is in kinetics or radiation, not heat...so they don't create the massive fireballs and blast clouds. They just drill through superexotic armor capable of taking nukes, like the Acclamator hull.

    Nukes don't work like that in space--the area affect of nukes is caused by displaced air by the extreme injection of heat into the atmosphere. If you transform energy..its different. Hurricanes unleash megatons of energy a second, for example.

    For comparisons:

    Average strategic nuke warhead onboard ICBMs: 300 kilotons

    Largest nuke ever (Russian "Tsar Bomba"): 50 megatons.
     
  3. SirLancelot

    SirLancelot Jedi Padawan star 4

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    you dont get it. have you ever seen the bed of nails trick? where i fat guy lays on a bed of nails and dosent get a scratch? its the same idea.

    when you distribute out the pressure it becomes weaker, hence more nails, guy doesent get hurt. but when you have that same guy step on one nail, all that force is concentrated in one area so it goes right up his foot.
     
  4. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    sorry didn't read your post correctly SirLancelot. Ya, I know what your saying, it is a good analogy.

    As for the 1.5(kiloton or gigaton, can't remember exactly) number, bob, that was just me going by memory, as I recall one of the sourcebooks gave that number for them, IIRC.
     
  5. SirLancelot

    SirLancelot Jedi Padawan star 4

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    its cool, i just think its funny that no one pointed that out before
     
  6. Lord_Darth_Bob

    Lord_Darth_Bob Jedi Youngling star 4

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    It ok Val, I'm not going to call you up by specifics...I'm relying on my Episode II ICS (by Saxton, naturally), and raw memory.

    I still would believe that not all torpedoes have the same yield, or the same make. Akyards could be different from Incom torps, for example.

    That's probably the yield for anti-fighter light torps like the ones used by Luke at Yavin, since those are the archetypical movie torpedoes.

    Keep in mind those also were smaller then a man's head and pulled some very high-G manuvers pulling into that trench. I'd think that anti-ship torpedoes are somewhat different. No contradiction, just interpretation. :)
     
  7. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    I agree on your points, like I was saying in earlier posts in this thread, the rpg did confirm that different companies made different torpedos, IIRC. I honestly couldn't tell you which one was supposed to have the 1.5 (whatever) yield, and most of that post was in jest anyways for humor sake.
     
  8. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Yeah, in the commentary track for Rogue Leader, they mention how they purposely mirrored the film's red ion cannon burst even though ion blasts are suppsoed to be blue.

    And, on a similar note...anyone notice the switch from green to blue lasers by the TIE Fighters chasing the Falcon through the asteriod belt? [face_batting]
     
  9. SirLancelot

    SirLancelot Jedi Padawan star 4

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    ya, i always thought that the lasers in the asteriod fields where odd looking
     
  10. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    I still would believe that not all torpedoes have the same yield, or the same make. Akyards could be different from Incom torps, for example.

    Well, there are different kinds of concussion missles. There are anti starfighter types, and thent here are the assault concussion missles used for taking out cap ships according to Cracken's Threat Dossier. So why not different types of torps?
     
  11. LaraNotsil

    LaraNotsil Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    SirLancelot:

    I have no argument with your thinking, but then the question arrises, "If twelve starfighters can carry enough torpedos to take out an ImpStar (1 or Deuce), then whats the point in spending billions of credits to build the darn things?

    Why build any capital ships for that matter?
     
  12. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    No, because few fighter squads are elite squads. If you sent 12 fighters against a Star Destroer, chances are none of them would survive. :p
     
  13. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Amazing! Proton Torpedoes undergo Doppler Shift. If you notice, they shift from red to blue. Starlines also appear to undergo Doppler shift--its amazing at how accurate the OT is when compared to the PT.

    *cough*

    Anyways, it would make a lot of sense if proton torpedoes were over the ridiculous 1.5 kiloton rating. There exist plently of evidence to prove that Star Destroyers can resist impacts in the giga-ton range for hours.
     
  14. LaraNotsil

    LaraNotsil Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well if my amateur squadron manages to get all its torpedos out of the launchers by hypering in from say 20 clicks out, then it doesn't really matter...

    Unless you contend that Elite squads can fire their missles in such a way that they can't be shot down...
     
  15. SirLancelot

    SirLancelot Jedi Padawan star 4

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    in the later X-Wing games starships could shoot down torperdos that where targeted. but in the books there is none of that.

    thats really why the Rebellion uses ships that have torpedos. so they could be a threat to capships without capships of their own
     
  16. GrandAdmiralJello

    GrandAdmiralJello Comms Admin ❉ Moderator Communitatis Litterarumque star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Captain Sair Yonka (sp?) has an internal monologue where he reveals that the crew of his ISDII Avarice regularily practice anti-torpedo drills, and can shoot down most, if not all, of the torpedoes shot at it.

    Curiously, warheads are never shot down or targeting--despite Antilles' assertation that Isard's ISDs are run by inexperienced Rim crewmen.

    Heir to the Empire references an Imperial Star Destroyer's impressive jamming arrays as being able to render torpedoes useless. Imperial Star Destroyers also seem to be more sturdy in those novels as well.
     
  17. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Well if my amateur squadron manages to get all its torpedos out of the launchers by hypering in from say 20 clicks out, then it doesn't really matter...

    The miminimum range is five. You have to get in the starships face in order to launch torps at it. You'll only survive the Star Destroyer's guns if you're really good. It's TIEs as well. Also, there's a chance that your torps will be shot down.
     
  18. LaraNotsil

    LaraNotsil Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But if the NR can kill an SD a week with the Rogues...then they're still TOO vulnerable...
     
  19. SirLancelot

    SirLancelot Jedi Padawan star 4

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    but thats just one eliet squadron. most of the time they cant even destroy it totally, they just get it to withdrawl or disable
     
  20. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    There are few instances in which Rogue Squad managed to take out an entire Star Destroyer...
     
  21. LaraNotsil

    LaraNotsil Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Matt...more than a few...

     
  22. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    I actually can't remember any... except for Corrupter and maybe two others.
     
  23. surinday

    surinday Jedi Youngling

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    The Star Destroyers do seme to be veriably effective. If they can jam torpedos as Zahn states then it doens't matter how experienced the crew is, it's a technical ability and not one based on experienced.
    Unless the crews don't know they have that ability, which is rather ... odd.

    In any case, it doesn't just have to be one squadron, you could probably buy lots of squadrons for less then half the cost of an SD. They'd be ineffective at some of the other tasks an SD takes care of, but they could certainly destroy an SD with 'acceptable losses'.
     
  24. Matthew Trias

    Matthew Trias Force Ghost star 6

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    Dumb fire the torpedoes. Not as effective, but a star destroyer is a pretty big target...
     
  25. LaraNotsil

    LaraNotsil Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    But matt, why can't every squad dumb fire torps...?

    Anyway...it just makes SD's too vulnerable...
     
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