Xenosaga: Episode I - Der Wille zur Macht

KoS-MoS is the greatest character in that game. Possibly my fav character ever. But nobody could figure that if I didnt say anything.

 

Somehow I had a hunch.

 

Yeah, pmy party is usually Shion, KOS-MOS, and Chaos, tho sometimes I use Jr. if I need his AGWS. The first time I treid to beat Albedo he whupped me good, but the next time I just used all AGWS with grenade launchers and W-ACT and he went down :-D

Some more thoughs about Xenosaga-

-You'res really missing out on a lot of good info about the game if you dont use the U.M.N. keyword databsae. They still leave a lot of stuff for episode 2, but a lot of things referenced in the game are explained in the database. By the end of the game its HUGE

-I think KOS-MOS ultimatly becomes Xenogears. When you do her X-Buster attack, the things on her back and her little abdomen laser attack are very similar to Xenogears's attacks. Both were designed to be the ultiamte weapon

-I got to thinknig that the two angel statues in the Nisan church in Xenogears are actually chaos and KOS-MOS. I sorta remember the story Margie told Bart about those angels and when I saw Chaos's wings (and the future thing with KOS-MOS's wings) I thought it was way too similar to those statues. And notice how theres an instant connection between the two

-The guy in the red hood and cloak that gave Cherenkov the override key is Kevin I think. Yes he died, but like Virgil he was recycled and has stronger powers. Remember how he had put in stronger weapons than Shion had intended. Not sure what his motivations are. But somehow it's connected to Chaos (Virgil looks at chaos and calls him boss). Maybe they're from the same plane of existence as the Wave Existence, I remember them talking about the wave energy or something.

-I think Wilhelm (the vector chairman) becomes emperor Cain. He looks like Ramsus who was a clone of Cain. Cain lived for a very long time, and Wilhelm has been head of Vector ever since the Federation started.

-Nephilim said that she existed within KOS-MOS, so I think that somehow Shion subconciously programmed it. It may have something to dow ith her mother - maybe she was the archetype for Nephilim. It would be interesting if KOS-MOS was somehow absorbed by the Zohar and Deus (which I think is created when the original Zohar and the Proto Merkaba, Song of Nephilim, and KOS-MOS are all joined to make a badass superweapon) and Nephilim got transferred into Deus's program, creating the antitype and the incarnations of Elly.

I can't wait until Episode II! Hopefully they will explain more about hte Miltian conflict, how Shion's dad (he worked for Joachim Mizrahi) ties into all this, whats Chaos' role, and how KOS-MOS fits into the larger picture of the whole Xenosaga.

 

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And they say Xenosaga doesn't connect to Xenogears. **cough**abel/fei**cough**

 

Ack, you should have provided a spoiler warning. Not all of us have finished the game. Nothing major I guess, though.

I don't think Wilhelm will become Cain because Cain was created after the crash of the Eldrige. But it's possible that something in the Zohar reactor remembers certain people and recreates them. Of course, Xenogears isn't exactly canon to the Xenosaga universe. It looks like Episode V may be created anew.

Strangely enough, I've dropped chaos from my normal party in favor of MOMO. I got her Floral Tempest up so high that she's actually one of the best damage-dealers in my party right now. Plus she can steal rare items and transform Gnosis with Dark Scepter. I've also got her outfitted with an Angel Ring (1/2 EP usage) and a Life Stone (doubles HP and EP recovery rate), so she's a great healer.

Shion's got a Commander's Crest (+1 AP each turn) and Double Buster (2x tech possible), so every two turns I can use two consecutive techs, and I don't even have to save up the first turn! That's almost 2,000 damage per two turns on average (at level 27).

 

Thirty hours isn't long for an RPG.

May I respectfully disagree? I beat Parasite Eve in 10 hours. That's short for an RPG. I completed FF6 in about 25 hours, and it's hailed one of the best. FF7 took me about 35 hours, and the same with FF8. So no, I don't think 30 hours is short for an RPG. It's not extensively long like Xenogears, but it isn't short either.

 

Parasite Eve was an extremely short RPG. Its length is one reason I was never interested in playing it. I'm not sure how you managed to beat FF7 in 35 hours. I've been through the game multiple times, but I always end up around the 50-hour mark. That's roughly the same amount of time it took me to reach the end of Xenogears. Fifty hours is in fact my average clear time for RPGs, and believe me, I've played many. I'm not doing anything differently for Xenosaga, yet by the time I reach the end of the game, I'll be just short of the 30-hour mark. I think one of the most telling signs of 'saga's shortness is the fact that you can beat it without much trouble at only around level 30. There also aren't that many items, techs, or spells, at least in comparison to most of the RPGs I've played.

Xenosaga's story itself doesn't seem to be very long. Excluding the prologue, from beginning to end, not a whole lot of time passes. The game is essentially a progression from point A to point B, and there aren't even that many side-stops along the way.

 

Man when I play an RPG my times are at least 90-100+ hrs. I like to level up to the max right at the end and then just beat the crap out of the main boss.

 

I was soooo looking forward to this release. Sadly, I will buy the game simply cause of the Xeno name.

I hate hearing all these mixed reviews. Read Gamefaqs. I was really hoping this would be all it could be.

30 hours is a joke right? Thats so upsetting, it has got to be a joke. OK jokes on me. HAH aha aha ha.. ha.. ahem

 

The length is certainly a disappointment, but otherwise the game's quite good. Since it's so short, I've only been playing an hour or two a day, so that seems to extend its longevity somewhat.

 

That is what I have been doing as well.

 

I'm near the end of the Proto Merkabah and the game itself now. The Proto Merkabah doesn't really feel like a "final dungeon" to me. But the Cathedral Ship did have that feel.

I've got Shion's Erde Kaiser now. Quite amusing to someone familiar with the giant robot genre as I am. As any giant robot show will tell you, the critical factors are friendship and passion. Also, the Erde Kaiser's parts and names correspond to the Elements of Xenogears. Although "Kelbim" should be "Kelvena" according to the US version of 'gears, which in itself was a mistranslation. It should have been "Cherubina." Seems like quite a substantial error, but knowing a fair amount of Japanese, I can certainly understand how the mistake was made. Now I'm rambling...

 

Don't use the Erde Kaiser. With 9999 points of damagew against all enemies, it's a real cheapy.

Hurry up and beat this game people, I have a ltota theories to discuss and can't wait around forever

BTW, this is not a short game. I beat it my first time in 65 hours, with all subqests completed and characters at about level 55.

 

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The final Deus fight was actually the hardest battle for me originally. I just couldn't beat him so I broke down and used a GameShark. That's the first (and only) time I'd ever had to cheat to beat a final boss in an RPG.
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I had to do the same thing. Dang I hated the Gear battles. Conserving fuel is no fun.

I just beat the Shion and Jr. Memory Boss, and pasted the 25 hour mark. This game is cruely difficult like XenoGears. Maybe if I wasn't so neverous of wasting my points foollishly.

Heavy XenoSaga, XenoGears spoilers and theories on the series ahead
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Last Warning

According to the Perfect Works Guildline the whole 6 part Saga takes place over 10000 years.

Episode I this is XenoSaga.

Episode II soon after I. This deals with the Eldridge crash. My theory is the game will start with the transport of Dues when everything goes wrong. As a fail-safe KOS-MOS is guarding Dues, but is destroyed sending out her black box signal through the ship. "Ye shall be all Gods" (KOS-MOS password) is shown on the Eldridge montiors. The ship crashes with only Abel surviving. The rest of the game will fast forward (like how 'Saga jump from our near future to our distance future) to show how humanity was 'born'. Cain, the ministery, Elly, and miang will be developed throug fashbacks.

The argument to that is that why didn't anyone come help the Eldridge. My theory is that either Dues' landing was quarintined or that the ship jumped demisions like the planet in 'Saga.

Episode III will be the Kim, Sophia, and Krielan time thousands of years after Episode II

Episode IV is the Grafh, and Ramsus period I think.

Episode V Xenogears. I don't think it will be a total remake. There are many flashbacks that won't be needed after playing I-IV so they might use those holes to see what going on in the 'Saga part of the universe. Maybe show a dyamic of humanity after riding themselvies of Dues/Zohar to the humanity still dealing with it.

Episode VI Bart and Maggie restoring Xenogears' planet

 

I beat the game in about 30 hours with all side quests completed and all my characters in the level 40-43 area. It is short. Content-wise, there simply isn't nearly as much as in other RPGs like XG, Suikoden, and the Final Fantasy series. If you waste time with the pointless mini-games, I could see the play time creeping closer to the 80 figure stated on the box. Unfortunately, I didn't think any of them were particularly interesting or worthwhile, so I skipped them for the most part.

I didn't really need Erde Kaiser to beat the game. At only about level 43, my characters didn't have any problems with the last two bosses. I just used it because I was feeling lazy and wanted to finish them off quickly.

As a bit of an oddity, MOMO ended up having the highest STR stat out of my entire party. Not exactly something you'd expect...

 

I just got to the Kukai Foundation. I am 35hrs in. At level 19 or 20

 

Well, I just beat this piece of God. Yeah that's the only way I can really describe how great it was. The ending is a complete tease. I loved it. But thankfully it had an actual long, satisfying ending. Episode II needs to hurry up. But I hope it's longer, though I still managed to pack in about 50 hours into Episode I.

Great game.

 

I just finally got this game yesterday...

Played about an hour...didn't really follow the Guide...probably should have...

Weird...Pooja...50 hours, eh? The game says 80+ hours...oh well.

 

My main complaint about this game:

NO JAPANESE LANGUAGE TRACK

Man, does the English dubbing sound so much like a piss-poor dub of an anime.

 

Yeah, I'm pretty fed up with English dubbing in video games too (or anywhere, really). If disc storage space is a problem, why can't they at least release a separate version of the game with spoken Japanese dialogue for those of us who actually want to be able to take the characters and story seriously? Nothing disconnects me from game characters like stale, emotionless English voice acting.

And as for 50 hours to complete an advertised "80+ hour" game, try 30! I even spent a lot of time leveling, collecting money, and doing side quests. I also wasted a few hours to get the only worthwhile items from the reprehensible mini-games. It's hard for me to fathom how anyone can get 50 hours or more out of the game, but that's just me, I guess.

 

I do recall a thread where you discussed your thoughts on the differences between the original seiyuu and the poor English v.a.s, Nai. How said that only Bandai has done this in recent memory, with the .hack/Infection game. Of course, they were the licensor for the original anime, so I'm sure that is why.

 

Hm, .hack/Infection has a Japanese dialogue version? That's interesting. As you said, it's probably because of Bandai's ties to the anime series. There are subs and dubs for the anime series' release in America, so I guess they wanted to stay consistent. Of course, if it were up to me there would be absolutely zero Americanization (that includes but is not limited to dubs) in any video games, television shows, movies, etc., but I'm just an elitist scumbag like that I suppose.

By the time Xenosaga 2 comes out, I may be ready to simply import it to avoid the English voice acting, but then I won't be able to carry over my saved American Xenosaga data. Tough call.

 

Hi, I was posting here because I want to get this game, but I heard that there were some problems with playing it on some of the older Playstation 2 models and I was wondering if anyone knew anything more about this? I want to play the game but I don't want to spend $50 if it's not going to work.

Oh, and BTW, yes, .hack/Infection has the choice of English or Japanese. I'm playing it right now, I personally prefer listening to English *shrug* but I don't really want to get into a debate.... but this is also a really short game, it's possible to beat in 15 hours and hard to spend more on 20 from what I've heard. So maybe that's how they fit both? It also doesn't seem to have much if ANY CG which takes up lots of space...

 

I bought my PS2 on the day it was released and didn't have any problems running Xenosaga. I did have to get it repaired early last year because it stopped reading discs, though. As far as I know, the only problem with the older units is that they have a tendency to break down easily, but if yours is still playing fine then I don't see why it wouldn't be able to run 'saga. At any rate, if possible, you might want to try renting the game first to make sure it plays on your PS2.

 

Well, I've never had trouble with any game on my PS2, but I have had trouble reading a couple of DVDs that played fine on my DVD player so obviously weren't damaged.