XoXaan...

Does anyone have a problem with XoXaan?

She doesn't sit right with me. I understand that she was pre-Banite Sith, but I don't understand why she would call out to A'Sharad Hett at a time when there already seemed to be a legitimate and rather successful Sith Lord in power.

Michael

 

I guess this means that the sith lord spirits did not consider Lumiya as a true sith lord.

 

Who Palps and Vader? They where part of the Banite sith like you stated and Palps even stoped following the sith code by that time. Not to mention with only two sith then the sith could easily be explunged in time. It could have easily been a cautionary act. Not to mention she was looking for some one who was similar to her and most likely didn't agree with the other sith order of Bane. Not to mention this could have occured shortly before or during the final battle on the second death star.

 

Some ancient Sith liked Bane's order. They would have probably endorsed it.

Xoxann wasn't one of them. So she found Hett.

The same way that the Holocrons of Bane, Addendu, and Nihilus did not endorse Krayt. If they could get someone else, they would.


Not all Sith Lords share the same opinion on how the Sith should be run.

Kaan vs. Bane
Sion/Nihilus vs. Traya
Cognus vs. Millenial
etc.

 

Looking at how it all worked out, looks like XoXaan had the right idea... Afterall her boy is on the throne of the galaxy and Palps and V are dead/redeemed and dead.

 

Not really.

Palps was on the throne for fifteen years before he faced a serious threat of rebellion (The rebel alliance).

Krayt is seven years in, and he already has three rebellions to deal with, not to mention he's barely got hold of the sith, and that he's dying and may/may not survive this arc.

 

A more important question, to me anyway, is how you actually say her name? Is it "ZoZaan" or am I completely off?

 

Forgive me if I'm mistaken (since my copy of the issue has yet to arrive) but I was under the distinct impression that the "XoXaan" Krayt meets is a holocron gatekeeper.

So, uh... yeah. Why would she have any knowledge of what was going on with the Sith in the galaxy at large? She just exists to teach people who meet her criteria. Krayt met those criteria, so she taught him. The end.

If she's a Sith Ghost however... well, as has been said, she might just have no love for the Banite brand.

 

Several observations:

1.) All we've heard about Krayt's origins thus far has been hearsay with pretty illustrations. Krayt told Cade a story; Talon told Cade another story.

2.) XoXaan is implicitly one of the original Jen'ari, the Jedi exiles who conquered the Sith species around 7,000 BBY. Interestingly, that gauntlet of hers looks vaguely Yuuzhan Vong.

3.) In Path of Destruction, Bane found the Valley of the Dark Lords empty. If XoXaan's holocron was there and waiting, it ignored Bane.

4.) In Empire's End, Palpatine's clone visited the Valley of the Dark Lords, and the Dark Lords gave him a hard time; this was presumably because Tom Veitch didn't regard Palpatine as a Sith - but if we retcon it, we have to reconcile it with canon: were these Bane's Order?



- The Imperial Ewok

 

I just want to know whats up with her nails. That girl needs to see a manicurist. Stat.

Personally I've always just treated that as the other Sith Lords thinking him a fool for by that stage having arrived at the "I am God" position and turned his back on everyone, Bane included, just to go it, quite literally by that stage, alone. I've always taken it as the other Sith Lords recognising Palpatine was a fool for having no heir at all, whether it mean one, two, three or a thousand, he had a big fat zero.

 

Rampant and Incoherant Speculation

XoXaan was a peer of Andeddu. Both had their own ideas on how the Sith should be run.

Andeddu, having been exposed to the teachings of the "True Sith" had taken the title of "Darth" and believed that power was an end in itself, XoXaan believed that power was a means to an end. She REALLY didn't like the whole "Darth" thing.

Andeddu, being an elitest kinda chap, started to only teach those who would follow his way of thinking, continuing the "Darth tradition". He was so picky, however, that he was badly outnumbered and all the Sith Lords who weren't keen on his ideas were able to take him out. He managed to cheat death and milled about for centuries.

Sometime after Naga Sadow is defeated, millennia after he left XoXaan and her pals, the Unliving Andeddu causes enough trouble for the Jedi that "Darth" becomes associated with the Sith and bad stuff in general. He's finally killed.

Kun and Ulic are annointed by the XoXaan-Type Sith and wage the great Sith War. They fail.

Zayne jokes about Darth Sunshine.

Thirty or so years later, a young chap named Revan - seeking knowledge of "ancient Sith magics" - finds himself introduced to True Sith teachings/Andeddu's holocron. He thus continues the "Darth" tradition. He's happy to nab all sorts of Sith teachings, but as his core he's committed to the "you must seek power above all else and without hesitation" philosophy.

The "Darth" stuff is passed down through Sith cults and holocrons and whathaveyou until we get to Ruin. Darth Ruin starts up his own Sith Order spun out of the "Power Above All" theology, but he's got plenty of followers who don't buy it. As with Andeddu millennia before, they take him out. At this point, the whole reason behind taking the "Darth" name is forgotten - and most Sith think it's just there to sound cool. A lot of people just take the name because they think it means "the best", or whatever. We move through Rivan (who may or may not be using the 'Darth' name legitmately) and get to Bane. Bane takes the Darth title for the same reason as all the other Sith after Ruin/Rivan - to sound cool. He heads off into the valley of the Dark Lords... XoXaan's about, but she sure as hell is not going to help some dude bearing the name of her rival, same could go for other Sith spirits/whatever.

However, he eventually finds Revan's holocron, and from that he is exposed to the underlying philosophy of the Darth brand of Sith and now has a legimate claim to the title.

He blows up the Brotherhood of Sith and starts up the Order of the Sith Lords.

Blah, blah, blah.

We eventually get to the point where we've got Krayt, who - though a completely legitimate Sith through the teachings of XoXaan - is not a follower of the "Darth tradition" "POWER ABOVE ALL", yet bears the name (which irritates XoXaan profoundly, but he's stopped returning her calls). This, as is to be expected, seriously vexes the snobbish Darth crowd, who all call him heretic and refuse to give him any candy.

The end.

Oh, and welcome to the undiluted thought processes of my idiot self.

Basically
You've got a "Darth" faction who think they're the true Sith, you've got a non-Darth faction (including XoXaan) who think that the former are completely up themselves and you've got an awful lot of confused Sith who think "Darth" is just a cool sounding name.

 

The legitimacy of a Sith Lord has nothing to do with what previous Sith Lord's opinions are of that person.

Therefore, your theory makes sense.

 

We've finally gotten another female Sith. That's all that matters.

 

As cool as XoXaan looks, I can't imagine her doing much with nails that long......


That said, I do love the fact that she's one of the first Sith, and I got the impression that her tomb was rather isolate compared to the rest, so who knows....

 

And yet, 4000yrs of mages have done nothing about Korriban. What are the holos going to do with a fleet of ships, blasting down the landscape? Granted, you'll have far less chance of reviving the Sith, and thus future stories . . . but after Luke's latest Sith problem you'd think the dumbos would get the message.

 

Excellence- My thoughts are the same. I can't understand it? Is Korriban the only world with sith stuff?

 

I like this theory, but I fear it would make almost too much sense. I'd love to see some deeper insight into Jedi/Sith spirits and to what extent each is possible. It would certainly be dramatic if the powerful Jedi and Sith 'spirits' are essentially maintaining the balance throughout the ages by setting off certain chains of events.

 

Keep in mind that Xendor doesn't really have much to do with Korriban. He's from the very first group of Dark Jedi. A group that is (as of now) unconnected to the Jen'jidai Exiles of the Hundred Year Darkness. I've always thought that the guy looking back in this image (Baldy) could be Ajunta Pall. Is there any sense that XoXaan was a war leader of the Hundred Year Darkness? She obviously had to have been a Jedi at some point, but what was her role in the war? Or actually, now that I think about it, in a hundred year war, she doesn't necessarily have to have been a Jedi turned bad. She could've been someone recruited like those during the New Sith Wars.

Wow, that was a pointless rambling.

 

Sinre, Ul, great theories all-around.

One nitpick (for now at least. Sleep is necesary very soon)

(Emphasis mine)

If we're to trust Darth Traya's musings on the matter (since even Sith propaganda seems to be taken as canon truth these days...), power was not Revan's purpose. Revan had a purpose for his power, sort of like another masked Sith Lord out there....

Malak, on the other hand, believed in Power for Power's sake.

 

No. The following list of planets and moons are important to Sith (and its offshoots) History

Korriban
Ziost
Coruscant
Onderon and Dxun
Malachor V
Vjun
Yavin IV (site of the tomb of Exar Kun)
Teta
Ruusan (7 battles between Sith and Jedi, bound to have items and spirits of fallen souls)
Kashyyk (was Sith held Territory)
Almas (had a Sith Fortress)
Honoghr, Gamorr, Gentes, Ryloth, Nar Shadaa, Umbara, Dathomir, and Iridonia (all had Sith Academies.)

That's all I can come up with right now....

 

Ziost and Korriban are the primes. And if their significance has been forgotten over the millennia, they're certainly more known nowadays. Hamil's aware there's elfs down there; he's been there often enough. Just looks stupid, letting storehouses of elfs live time and again.

 

Quite. We've badly needed some Lady Sith.

 

Nothing but male dark lords and humans. It's dispicable. Leave the endless males for Tolkien. There's hardly a speck of female Mandos either. The fires of Zsinj's chilli breath, who says warmongers can only be male? This annoys me no end.