Yaddle: A blow to Yoda's "uniqueness"?

Garth: "Hey Wayne, remember that episode of Bugs Bunny when he dressed up like a girl?"

Wayne: "Yeah"

Garth: "Did you think he was sexy?"

Wayne: "NO!"

Garth: "Me neither."

That remark about Yaddle being sexy just remided me of that scene from Wayne's World.
I know I Didn't Quote it exactly, So don't nag about that.

 

Stick another 'Yoda' in there and he loses part of that quality. Thankfully, Yaddle was ditched after TPM and I had all but forgotten her...until now.

She wasn't really ditched per se. She was killed in one of the comics before the timeframe of AOTC, I think.

 

Yaddle's just yoda with some digital toupee going on. She never says anything, never does anything, she's mentioned in the star wars visual dictionary and other star wars hard covers, but thats the most it ever does.

Yoda,well, he just pwns.

 

I totally agree. But, Shaitan, one thing: you were eating cornflakes in the cinema?

 

What I do not understand, is that we have no idea what species or home planet Yoda is from, logic tells us that there has to be more than one of him, but everyone assumes that Yaddle is the same species as Yoda? Why? Because she looks similar to him? To me, they look nothing alike: take out the floppy ears, and it looks like an Ewok just had bad plastic surgery.


So does the fact that we see another Protocol droid in the opening minutes of ANH diminish C3PO's mystique? What about R2? There are plenty of Astromech droids in the Saga. And, on the subject of Yoda: does it not diminish Obi-Wan's character from ANH that there is another Jedi in the galaxy? He was the only one and never spoke of any other Jedi that survived; in fact, the way he put it, made it seem like he was the only one left. "Vader helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights"


See how that works? I have to say, some people complain about the weirdest things.











~*~*~*Anakin_Darth~*~*~*

 

That is true. To say Yaddle takes away from Yoda being unique is a bit childish. Now people are just finding about damn near anything to drop on the Prequels. Yoda is an important character in the Star Wars lore. Another species of his kind would NOT EVER take away from that. Yaddle's existence proved more of Yoda's species exist. And we need that.

It's ignorant to think Yoda is one of a kind in a HUGE Galaxy, and it's childish to assume that Yoda can be the ONLY species of his kind to ever appear. If this is the best there is, this is crap. Yoda is an ALL powerful Jedi. The greatest of the Order, Yaddle sits on the council and dies before AOTC. She was just another Jedi. Though I enjoyed very much seeing her, especially a female of Yoda's kind.

But if Yaddle actually ruined Yoda's character for someone, that's REALLY sad. Do grow up. This is about CHARACTERS, not species, and Yoda's cannot be ruined by a few shots of a silent puppet.

 

That and we're told by everyone that Yaddle is the same species as Yoda.

 

Well, let's evaluate this for a minute.....you have the words "Yaddle", "blow" and "Yoda"....
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I agree that Yaddle does detract from Yoda?s aura of reverent mystery, but for the sake of argument I add this may have been the point. Before the prequels, I wouldn?t have guessed that Yoda would be leading a slave army into battle or heading an Order that essentially kidnapped children and subjected them to years of emotional desensitizing. But alas, one of Lucas?s main objectives with the new films ending up being a deconstruction of the blatant Good/Evil dualities exemplified in the classic trilogy. Yaddle was one further element of the intentional demystification that strove to paint Yoda as just another common being very much capable of severe "human" error.

Another example of this Yoda revision came with his primary fighting style. Before Attack of the Clones, the belief was commonly held that Yoda would call upon some previously unseen level of demigod-like force mastery in order to vanquish foes. In actuality, though, he used a mere lightsaber.

Or then again, perhaps Yaddle was little more than another Lucas cringe-inducer. With Lucas, the lines between measured genius and stylistic foolishness are often blurred.

 

I agree that one of the important aspects of Yoda in the OT was the mystique that surrounded him. Chewbacca was unique, the only Wookie, and so was Jabba, the only Hutt; but what made Yoda so special in the OT (apart from his grammar, height and ability to inspire people) was that no-one knew what species he was, where he came from - the only thing we knew was his age and that he trained Obi-Wan (?). In the films we are told Chewie is a Wookie (arm-ripping) and that Jabba is a Hutt (it's in his name!); does this mean that Chewie and Jabba are "less unique" than Yoda simply because we know what species they are?

Then in the PT, we see another Hutt and as previously mentioned more Wookies, but TPM introduces Darth Maul - an alien never before seen in GFFA and his species is never discussed (except in EU outwith the film). Now, is Darth Maul as unique as Yoda because we know even less about him: what species? how old? etc. These details are not discussed in TPM (no EU answers please!) so is Maul now more unique than even Yoda because Yaddle appears in TPM and Darth Maul is the only one of his species to appear in all 6 movies?
My answer would be yes and would now agree, with one provision, that "Yaddle is a blow to Yoda's uniqueness". That provision is this: George Lucas has never revealed Yoda's origins (his species, his backstory) and will probably never will, but he and I mean LFL here, has allowed the EU to create stories for Darth Maul that explain his background, etc and even granted Jude Watson the right to kill off Yaddle - we are never going to see/hear of Yoda's story except directly from GL himself. So long as GL never reveals Yoda's story, then this in itself is enough imo, to restore Yoda's uniqueness and overall mystique and diminish Maul's (because his "story" has been told via the EU).

 

There are others that the same species as Darth Maul and they are seen on-screen. The two that I can think of were Jedi council members.

 

You're right, they are featured in AOTC. Maul was a bad/stupid example because I didn't research his species properly. However, I will still stand by my argument that Yoda's "uniqueness" is on the provision that GL doesn't disclose any information about his backstory.

 

Why is everyone seem so upset this little puppet is in the movie. Its not that big a deal. Shes a blink and you miss it character. If she ruins a movie for you, then thaere is obviously way to much time and effort put in on your part.

 

I personally don't care about Yaddle. I don't think seeing another of Yoda's species takes anything away from Yoda at all. However, didn't Lucas take Yaddle out of AOTC because he had a change of heart and didn't thought that it distracted from Yoda himself? I could be mistaken. I thought that's what the deal was.

 

Not sure what Lucas' reasoning was. I did find this.

Yaddle was operated in The Phantom Menace by Phil Eason. Along with Yarael Poof, she was specifically removed from the Jedi Council during the conception of Attack of the Clones because George Lucas envisioned the members of the Council fighting and thought that animating Yaddle along with Yoda, and possibly Poof, would be too costly and time-consuming.

--Wookieepeedia.


The model for Yaddle was originally intended as a sketch for Yoda, but was later put in the movies as Yaddle.

--Wookieepeedia.

Both under Yaddle's entry.

That is why Coleman Trebor and Shaak Ti were there. One CGI and thus easier to animate, while the other was an actress/model.

 

I hate Yaddle, I know he won't but I wish George Lucas would put Kit Fisto or someone in her place. I just watched The Phantom Menance tonight, her, non-digital yoda and the "fact scene" were the only things wrong with the movie. Still not enough to ruin the movie at all, great film. Yaddle was a horrible idea. Unless for some reason Yoda was having sex with her on the side and they had little yaddle/yoday twins who save the day or something, just kidding of course.

 

I love the PT. The whole saga. I just dont like Yaddle and for me, to some extent, she demeened the character of Yoda. I dont think thats childish. Its just how I feel about the character. There was nothing positive about her. All she does is take away some of the mystery element from Yoda. And by going further still and putting her on the council it makes us think that Yoda's homeowlrd could be full of force sensitive beings like him. Yoda has to be unique for his character to work. He has to be the independant character, a one off if you will, that we discover, despite his appearance and uniqueness, is in fact very powerful and wise. Yaddle by no means ruins this. Im just saying she has a negative impact on it and that is all her character brings to the saga.

No one assumes this. We just dont need to be shown it. Its not something that needs to be discussed. Its the mystery element to his character that works so well. The question behind who he is. In the end we shouldnt question it. The question doesnt matter. All that matters is that Yoda is this mysterious character who is unique and yet achieves so much.

Whats crap?

No one is saying it ruined Yoda's character. Its just being said that it had a detrimental effect on parts of his character. And it has nothing to do with being childish or needing to grow up. It has to do with the fact that Yoda's character is based on the idea that no matter how different you are from everyone else, no matter what you like like, you can be a special person. A powerful person. Put another species of his kind as another powerful force user on the council and it cant be denied that Yoda's uniqueness in this case is demeened.

 

How much screentime did she have: 1 second? 2?

Personally, I never even noticed her. Until I read about her on the official site, that is. IMO, it's not that big a deal.

 

Did someone say Yaddle was a travesty, or a transvestite?

I don't hate Yaddle, or even the idea of her. Now, if she was shown as Yoda's wife, and had significant dialogue, then I'd see some people's point.

 

For those that think Yaddle takes away from Yoda, do you also think that Han Solo being human takes away from the significance of Luke? yeesh. In ROTJ, we also see multiple Calamarians...yet, doesn't take away from Ackbar, does it? ANH, we see more than one Rodian (although, its been speculated they just reused the same costume) does that take away from Greedo? Does the fact that we see a second Hutt in TPM take away the importance that Jabba has? I am sorry, but this really is a silly thing to be debating.

 

Thats a ridiculous thing to say. You are dismissing what "we" are saying about Yoda's character and WHY it works so well. What he is all about, metaphorically if nothing else. I suggest you actually read over whats been said before making rash statements like that.

 

Perfectly stated.

 

I have to agree with Master_Shaitan on this one. The problem is however further illuminated by her sudden dissapearance. I believe many think Yoda's specie to be powerful in the force - and if Yaddle just dissapears for no particular reason, it does no good for our/my believe in his species...

For me, Yaddle was no big problem, but I see no point in having her there either.

 

I thought she was a little funky looking. I thought I read somewhere that she was one of the first new puppet designs for Yoda but Lucas rejected it. Instead they stuck a wig on her and called her Yaddle.

She's kinda weird, but my daughter was happy to take her and Yoda and call them "Aunt" and "Uncle" with Ki-Adi Mundi as "grandpa" when she discovered my Jedi Council figures. They all enjoyed a picnic and a ride in a Naboo speeder before she got bored.

 

they should delete her in the new DVD set and paste Count Dooku