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  1. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    Here's what I've come up with for the first year, using the 10-month calendar (NOTE: Some of my placement's differ from Valiento's)

    March 4-9
    A NEW HOPE

    March 9-15
    ?Marvel Illustrated: The Day After the Death Star.?
    Star Wars Missions #1: Assault on Yavin Four
    Star Wars Missions #2: Escape from Thyferra
    Star Wars Missions #3: Attack on Delrakkin
    Star Wars Missions #4: Destroy the Liquidator

    March 16-19
    ?Science Adventures #1: Emergency in Escape Pod Four.?
    ?Science Adventures #2: Journey Across Planet X.?
    ?The Marvel Series #50: Rage in the Red Nebula.?

    March 20-23
    ?Pizzazz magazine: The Keeper?s World.?
    ?Pizzazz magazine: The Kingdom of Ice.?

    March 24-29
    ?The Marvel Series #7-10: Han Solo and the ?Sprites? of Aduba-3.?

    March 30-35
    ?The Marvel Series #11-15: Crimson Jack and the Dragon Lords of Drexel.?
    ?The Marvel Series #70: The Stenax Shuffle.?

    April 1-3
    ?WEG: Scoundrel?s Luck.?
    ?WEG: Jedi?s Honor.?

    April 4-6
    ?Classic SW: The Early Adventures ? Tatooine Sojourn.?

    April 7-10
    ?SW Kids: The Rebel Thief.?
    ?SW Kids: X-Wing Marks the Spot.?
    ?SW Kids: Imperial Spy.?

    April 11-15
    ?SW Missions #17: Darth Vader?s Return.?
    ?SW Missions #18: Rogue Squadron to the Rescue.?
    ?SW Missions #19: Bounty on Bonadan.?
    ?SW Missions #20: Total Destruction.?

    April 16-20
    ?The Marvel Series Annual #1: The Long Hunt/A Duel of Eagles.?
    ?SW Missions #5: The Hunt for Han Solo.?
    ?SW Missions #6: The Search for Grubba the Hutt.?
    ?SW Missions #7: Ithorian Invasion.?
    ?SW Missions #8: Togorian Trap.?

    April 21-25
    ?The Marvel Series #18-23: The Wheel.?
    ?The Marvel Series #25-26: Siege at Yavin.?
    ?The Marvel Series #28: Whatever Happened to Jabba the Hut??
    ?The Marvel Series #16: The Hunter.?

    April 26-30
    ?The Marvel Series #27: Return of the Hunter.?
    ?The Marvel Series #30: A Princess Alone.?
    ?The Marvel Series #29: Dark Encounter.?
    ?The Marvel Series #30-34: The Omega Frost.?
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: The Second Kessel Run.?

    April 31-35
    ?Classic Star Wars ? Devilworlds: Tiltony Throws a Shape.?
    ?Vader?s Quest.?
    [NOTE: The date on this is purely artificial, to make the setting of Vader?s Quest at one month after ANH technically correct.]

    May 1-5
    ?The Marvel Series #35-37: Dark Lord?s Gambit.?

    May 6-10
    ?Classic Star Wars #1-2: The Bounty Hunter of Ord Mantell.?
    ?Classic Star Wars #2-4: Darth Vader Strikes.?
    [Since Vader?s Quest already happened, we have to assume Vader was lying to Admiral Griff.]
    ?Classic Star Wars #4-6: The Serpent Masters.?

    May 11-15
    ?Classic Star Wars #6-7: Deadly Reunion.?
    ?Classic Star Wars #7-8: Traitor?s Gambit.?

    May 16-20
    ?Classic Star Wars #8-9: The Night Beast.?

    May 21-25
    ?Marvel SW Weekly: World of Fire.?
    ?Marvel SW Weekly: The Word for World is Death.?
    ?Marvel SW Weekly: The Guardian of Forever.?

    May 26-30
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: Gambler?s World.?
    ?The Marvel Series #38: Riders in the Void.?

    May 31-35
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: Princess Leia, Imperial Servant.?

    June 1-5
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: Bring Me The Children.?

    June 6-10
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: As Long As We Live.?
    ?The SW Holiday Special: Starlog 3-27-1.?

    June 11-15
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: The Frozen World of Ota.?
    ?River of Chaos.?

    June 16-20
    ?The SW Holiday Special.?
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: The Kashyyyk Depths.?

    June 21-25
    ?Classic Star Wars ? The Early Adventures: The Constancia Affair.?

    July
    ?Classic Star Wars #10-11: The Return of Ben Kenobi.?
    ?Shadow Stalker.?

    August
    ?Classic Star Wars #11-12: The Power Gem.?
    ?Classic Star Wars #12-13: Iceworld.?

    September 1-5
    ?Classic Star Wars #13-14: Revenge of the Jedi.?
    ?Classic Star War
     
  2. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "(NOTE: Some of my placement's differ from Valiento's)"

    ?

    Where have I placed anything in this thread? All I did was just post direct quotes, from one book(I've barely posted in this thread)...

    Do you mean Talon Card, or Maverick?
     
  3. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    Sorry, I meant Maverick.
     
  4. RogueWompRat

    RogueWompRat Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Jeez, I leave for like 4 days and something this great happens? Oh well, I'll read it over the weekend.
     
  5. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    My comments:

    What's "The Holiday Special: The Faithful Wookiee"? Or is "The Faithful Wookiee" a subtitle of THS?

    The Holiday Special takes place in the first six months after Yavin. The Kashyyyk Depths is set in a different Life Day, one not long before the Battle of Hoth, and somewhat close to three years (Wookiee years? Can't be standard years) after THS. See TEGTC.

    Marvel's Annual #1 probably takes place about 2 ABY. I say this because when Han greets Katya in the comic, he says "It's been years" since he last saw her. Rebel Dawn reveals that Katya participated in the raid at Ylesia, and since the same book indicates that Han personally convinced the smugglers to take part in that raid, it would have to be at least two years after that section of Rebel Dawn.

    Val, as I understand it, Scoundrel's Luck states that Vader had been floating around for a month in his TIE fighter, while TEC states that after Vader returned, he spent a month casing down the T-65 pilot before going to Coruscant to report to Palpatine in person. So that should put (by my interpretation) Star Wars Missions: Darth Vader's Return at two months after Yavin. This fits in fairly well with the mentions of the "recent" destruction of the Liquidator (how often does the Alliance take out an entire Star Destroyer anyway?) and the mention of "weeks" in the escape pod scene (after all, two months=several weeks, right? ;) )

    Nightowl: I think that Mavrick's timeline has a better order of stories around the Classic/Marvel/Vader's Quest/Missions period. Please see my the earlier pages in this thread, as well as my Darth Vader thread for a breakdown of events according to his interpretation of the timeline. (Ok, how geeky did *that* sound?) :p ;) )

    TC
     
  6. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>This fits in fairly well with the mentions of the "recent" destruction of the Liquidator (how often does the Alliance take out an entire Star Destroyer anyway?)<<

    ISDs Invincible & Intrepid were taken down pre-ANH. Then there was the Rams Head thing that took out three ISD's in drydock.

    Then there was the Liquidator, the ISD over Kothlis in Rogue Leader, the Tyrant was at least disabled at Hoth.

    Shortly after the SSD Terror was destroyed, three ISD's docked were Imdaar Alpha were destroyed during the destruction of that facility.

    Also the SSD Vengeance and apparently another SSD will be destroyed in Rebel Strike.

    So...pretty often, it seems [face_batting]
     
  7. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    Okay, let me explain why I've broken things down differently from Maverick and/or you, Talon:

    SW Missions #1-4: Mav has it spanning two days; I have it spanning six. Why? I'm factoring in hyperspace travel time. On the SW Insider Map, Thyferra is clear on the other side of the galaxy from Yavin. To get there, Han would have to take the Hydian Way, divert to the Corellian Run around Kuat, hang a right at Corellia onto the Trade Spine, then another right into the Rimma Trade Route with maybe a shortcut route from Bestine. (I cannot BELIEVE I just wrote all that. Heck, I'm laughing at myself here.) Anyway, for a ship as fast as the Falcon, it'd take a least a couple of days there and a couple of days back (I don't see Delrakkin on the map, I hope to God it's along the way back to Yavin).

    The next major difference (where I differed from your interpretation) is me leaving out "The Maverick Moon." I'm sorry, I CANNOT accept that it happens this soon after ANH. For one thing, Luke barely has time to move in at the Academy before Leia spirits him off again. This is supposed to be his pre-ANH dream, to get a good education (not just piloting, but college/Rebel vocation courses). Heck, he's got to learn to swim (between Drexel and SOTME) SOMEWHERE. Besides, MM says Luke "had nearly forgotten" the lessons Ben taught him about the Force. I could see that happening maybe a couple of years after ANH, after Luke's efforts to learn more about the Force (and/or find a new master) have come to nothing. At that point, Luke would be starting to fear he'd never make it to Jedi Knighthood. But less than a week after the Force saved everybody's bacon? Uh-uh.

    Maverick has Han head off for Tatooine (to be headed off by Crimson Jack) only three days after Yavin. You and me agreed Marvel #50 happened before that, so three weeks seemed to fit the "goodbyes could no longer be delayed" line. As snotty as Han was to Jabba in ANH:SE, I could see him wanting to make Jabba sweat a bit more before coming across with the cash.

    More to come...
     
  8. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "Val, as I understand it, Scoundrel's Luck states that Vader had been floating around for a month in his TIE fighter"

    exact quotes please? Because that would appear to contradict vader's return's "days to reach an imperial base", and contact palpatine about his survival.

    "while TEC states that after Vader returned, he spent a month casing down the T-65 pilot before going to Coruscant to report to Palpatine in person."

    Actually the TEC was refrencing the event in Vader's quest, it says after the destruction of the death star it took him a month to get the Skywalker name on centares, after which it says vader went to coruscant to tell palpatine about the destruction of the death star.

    According to Vader's quest comic it talks about the destruction of one of tarkin's toys, after palpatine thought vader had disappeared on the weapon, when he learned otherwise when Vader entered, he wanted a personal report of the destruction.

    The biggest problem with vader's quest's story is it's completely different than the story in Darth Vader's return, where Palpatine knew he was alive, knew the death star was destroyed, wanted a detailed report of what happened, and then wanted him to start working on another of Tarkin's inventions.

    Also of note as far as I can tell, Vader doesn't know Luke's name yet during the mission's arc.

     
  9. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    Part 2:

    Putting Marvel #70 after the Drexel storyline: You and me agreed with that, Talon, but I think (pending confirmation of where Drexel and Stenos are in relation to Yavin) that it'd make it a little easier and quicker to simply have the heroes divert to Stenos whilst en route to Yavin from Drexel.

    Scoundrel's Luck: The three of us seem to be in agreement, that it's exactly one month since Yavin. You have Marvel #16 set around that time; I moved "The Hunter" up to a week before it's sequel since the issue didn't specify when it occurred, and it gives Jimm and Merri more time to settle down. Hey, some women know they're pregnant at the three/four week mark, so it'll work. And who said marriage came before baby in Jimm and Merri's case? Think blaster-rifle wedding. ;)

    Tatooine Sojourn being during/after Scoundrel's Luck, we agreed with.

    I'm gonna have to reread SW Missions #9-12 to check Mav's placement of 'em (during "The Rebel Thief.") If I recall right, our heroes weren't in those: I'll change my timeline to include those once confirmed.

    An interesting thought on Marvel Annual #1, Talon. I think I'll move that as you suggest. That'll free up some room.

    I recently reread SW Missions #5 to summarize for Timetales, and it clearly says the Battle of Yavin happened "only a few weeks ago." So Maverick's placement of that is WAY off.

    Still more coming...



     
  10. Nightowl

    Nightowl TFN Timetales Writer star 4 VIP

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    Part 3:

    All three of us agree about "The Wheel" through "Second Kessel Run" forming a continous arc. Maverick has "Tiltony/Vader's Quest/Dark Lord's Gambit" occur after "Classic SW: Bounty Hunter of Ord Mantell" -- I have it before since "Jabba" reinstating the bounty makes a perfect lead-in to Classic SW #1.

    From here on, me and Mav seem to be in sync. So what do you think, Talon?
     
  11. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Nightowl:

    Missions 1-4: Well, that's fine. I'm *definitely* not one to quibble over exact days or hyperspace travel times, lol. ;) I think that Mavrick wanted to minimize the number of days for that story arc so as to better fit in the "Falcon going out for a month to look for Vader's TIE" mission from SL, but I'm beginning to assume that it was just a standing mission, as TimeTales suggests.

    Mavrick Moon: Chalk it up to personal preference. No story since has mentioned it, so when it takes place is anyone's guess. I'll confess: my placement is simply to resolve, in my own mind, why Luke has his silly farmer's outfit on in a lot of the post-ANH stories. Sounds silly, I know. I can justify the placement in other ways, but, yeah... ;) Personal preference.

    Marvel #16: Makes sense. One of my arguments against the Vader's Quest at 1 month ABY was the whole Jim/Merri thing. ;)

    Thanks for taking my suggestions for the Annual into account, BTW. :)

    Missions #5: Oy, yeah, that's a doozy; I caught it too. Mavrick's placement is the better, IMO. You see, in GOF#9, set 1 ABY, the Arrandas visit Ithor, which is under Imperial control. They meet Fandomar, who is pining for her husband, Momaw Nadon, who has not yet returned from exile. Therefore, Missions #7, in which Ithor is freed from Imperial control, and in which Momaw Nadon returns to Ithor, must be set *after* that GOF book. Unfortunately, in Missions #5, which forms a story arc with #7, Prefect Talmont refers to the destruction of the Death Star as an event that occurred a few weeks earlier. :p

    Solutions for that mistake:
    Find a break in the story arc after the scene with Talmont, but before #7, and place the ends of the story arc at three weeks and two years ABY, respectively.
    Assume that Talmont was given incorrect information by the Empire.
    Assume that Talmont has been hitting the bottle lately.
    Assume that by "a few weeks", Talmont meant twelve months worth of weeks. ;)

    Classic Star Wars: I think that events flow more evenly if Vader does not yet know Luke's identity by the time of the Fondor incident. (See my Vader thread.) I'm assuming that Jabba the Hutt reinstated the bounty after learning that Han had wasted yet *another* shipment of spice, as shown in The Second Kessel Run. Both Han and Mosep think, at this point, that the bounty is still off, which is why Han doesn't believe Drumb when he goes to Ord Mantell in Classic Star Wars (see IDP and TEGTPAM.) Later, Mosep learns of Crimson Jack's fate, and pulls his support from Han. Han goes to find out just what the heck is up with Jabba's bounty (after that little incident with Skorr.) He discovers what happened in the end of Marvel's coverage of this era. But that's just me. :)

    TC
     
  12. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "Missions #5: Oy, yeah, that's a doozy; I caught it too. Mavrick's placement is the better, IMO. You see, in GOF#9, set 1 ABY, the Arrandas visit Ithor, which is under Imperial control. They meet Fandomar, who is pining for her husband, Momaw Nadon, who has not yet returned from exile. Therefore, Missions #7, in which Ithor is freed from Imperial control, and in which Momaw Nadon returns to Ithor, must be set *after* that GOF book. Unfortunately, in Missions #5, which forms a story arc with #7, Prefect Talmont refers to the destruction of the Death Star as an event that occurred a few weeks earlier.

    Solutions for that mistake:
    Find a break in the story arc after the scene with Talmont, but before #7, and place the ends of the story arc at three weeks and two years ABY, respectively.
    Assume that Talmont was given incorrect information by the Empire.
    Assume that Talmont has been hitting the bottle lately.
    Assume that by "a few weeks", Talmont meant twelve months worth of weeks."


    Another possible explanation, is that while Ithor is freed from the Empire, and Momaw returned to Ithor a "few weeks" after the death stars destruction, he never actually returned to visit Fandomar. She never knew he returned. Then he ended up having to leave Ithor again, and the Empire ended up retaking the planet, which left fandomir still pining for Momaw, and Imperials are still in control of the planet. It would kind of be similar to how rebels freed Kuat(BHW), only for it to end up back in imperial control a short time later.

    Indeed it wasn't until after the battle of endor that Moma Nadion was accepted back onto the planet;

    "After the defeat of the Empire at Endor, Momaw Nadon was accepted back into Ithorian society. He was reunited with his wife and children, and introduced the Alima clones into the family."-starwars.com
     
  13. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Ok, furthermore, there was apparently a garrison there until after the battle of endor;

    "After the Battle of Yavin, an Imperial Star Destroyer placed a garrison on Ithor. Despite Ithorian complaints, the Empire stayed to "monitor" Ithorian mercantile activities.

    Ithorians found peace after the defeat of the Empire..."-starwars.com
     
  14. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Val, you're half right there. The Empire did indeed re-take Ithor (Mavrick's timeline allows for this) and the Ithiorian leaders, including Momaw Nadon, did have to flee the planet, to return after the Battle of Endor. (Han Solo's Rescue Mission shows Han saving these Ithorians.)

    The problem with your fix is that, in Missions #7 (and I really should have mentioned this) Fandomar is the first person Momaw goes to see on Ithor and introduces her to Luke and co. :)

    In addition, Han makes reference to Admiral Ackbar, a character unknown to Luke and Han until after Classic Star Wars, and in #8, the follow-up book, Luke is identified as the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, a fact that was not widely known until after Vader's Quest. More indications that the story takes place more than a few weeks after ANH.
     
  15. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "The problem with your fix is that, in Missions #7 (and I really should have mentioned this) Fandomar is the first person Momaw goes to see on Ithor and introduces her to Luke and co."

    Easy to explain, since he ended up having to leave again, she then again would be in a position to pine for him being in exile until he returns.

    "In addition, Han makes reference to Admiral Ackbar, a character unknown to Luke and Han until after Classic Star Wars"

    Actually Ackbar is known about since before ANH, according to farlander papers, X-wing strategy guide, and X-wing game(Ackbar is the one that briefs most of the missions in the game). Infact one the training missions that Farlander trained on a recreation of the Also Ackbar gives a speech during the novel in the strat guide as well. Just because luke and han know of him(likely they should have heard of his name since he was already around at that time), doesn't mean they actually met him, or knew him in person.

    "the follow-up book, Luke is identified as the pilot who destroyed the Death Star, a fact that was not widely known until after Vader's Quest."

    Identified by who? If it was a rebel who knew it, there were spies(though not necessarily good ones) in the rebel alliance who knew(according to SOTME), there were also the handful of rebels that knew as well(those that were killed by vader, or commited suicide so as to not let vader know. Infact NEGTC, said that vader had the feeling it was luke skywalker his own son he felt over the death star, but he needed to confirm his feelings which is why he hunted down rebels to extract the information.
     
  16. cartographer

    cartographer Jedi Master star 1

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    Nightowl stated:
    "Putting Marvel #70 after the Drexel storyline: You and me agreed with that, Talon, but I think (pending confirmation of where Drexel and Stenos are in relation to Yavin) that it'd make it a little easier and quicker to simply have the heroes divert to Stenos whilst en route to Yavin from Drexel. "


    I have an approximate location for Drexel on the "Guesses" page of the "Notes" section of my site. I have references to where all of the "Star Warriors" were travelling to at the time, and have made an assumption as to the location of the Drexel system.

    I don't have a placement for Stenos, but if I recall, there are some quotes in the Marvel Aliens article in Gamer that imply that it is close to or in the Gordian Reach, so near Yavin. If that's the case, having them stop at Stenos on the way back to Yavin from Drexel is entirely possible.
     
  17. cartographer

    cartographer Jedi Master star 1

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    Just checkedmy notes now that I'm home. One could also infer that Stenos is in the Kessel Sector from that Gamer article. But that would still allow for a stop on the way back from Drexel.
     
  18. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    >exact quotes please? Because that would appear to contradict vader's return's "days to reach an imperial base", and contact palpatine about his survival.<

    You'll have to find someone who owns the book for exact quotes, but the fan timelines like TimeTales state that the Falcon had been out searching for Vader's ship for a month prior to SL. Could "days to return" be only counting the days since Vader came out of his Force-induced coma?

    >Actually the TEC was refrencing the event in Vader's quest, it says after the destruction of the death star it took him a month to get the Skywalker name on centares, after which it says vader went to coruscant to tell palpatine about the destruction of the death star.<

    IIRC, TEC is just a tad fuzzy on that issue. I *think* that it allows one to interpret that in such a way that it could be talking about the month after his return in SL, rather than ANH. I'm not sure, but I believe that it says that Vader spent a month searching for the pilot who killed the Death Star, and then he went to Coruscant, not that that month culminated with the finding of Skywalker's name. (I'd have to see a quote from the book to be sure.) So, one *could* interpret the line in TEC as referring to the events in DVR, rather than VQ (although the original intent was obviously VQ...) If you would do me a favor, could you check out my Darth Vader thread? I've tried to reconcile VQ with DVR, but since I don't have that Missions book, any comments you could give me would be a big help.

    In Missions #8, a bounty hunter identifies Luke Skywalker, and it is all but stated that Jabba the Hutt and a good deal of the Empire knew about his involvement with the Battle of Yavin as well. You are quite right about the Imperial spies. Rogor, Blackhole, Boba Fett, and Mole all knew Skywalker's name.

    TC
     
  19. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    "You'll have to find someone who owns the book for exact quotes, but the fan timelines like TimeTales state that the Falcon had been out searching for Vader's ship for a month prior to SL. Could "days to return" be only counting the days since Vader came out of his Force-induced coma?"

    While I say that I'd really like the original context and the quotes from the book, instead of going by second hand information. I'd say it's more than likely that he actually stopped by a nearby fully-automated base, a few days(possible interpretable as a week) after the death star's destruction where he was able to send off a message, then he got back into his tie and limped further for about a month(3 weeks can be a near-month if need be) before he and his damaged tie-fighter are picked up by Mordack's Carrack cruiser that carries him directly to coruscant where he has his conversation with palpatine. I'm fine with interpreting, 3-4 weeks to be "a few weeks/recently", but any more than that your one is really reading against the wording.


    "In Missions #8, a bounty hunter identifies Luke Skywalker, and it is all but stated that Jabba the Hutt and a good deal of the Empire knew about his involvement with the Battle of Yavin as well. You are quite right about the Imperial spies. Rogor, Blackhole, Boba Fett, and Mole all knew Skywalker's name."

    Ya even the EC said that he suspected the pilot's heritage, but he needed a strong lead and confirmation from tortureing rebels before he could know for certain.

    The passage from the EC was as such;

    "In his own advanced TIE fighter, Darth Vader escaped the destruction of the death star. During the battle, he had sensed that the pilot who destroyed the station showed unual strength in the force. Already suspecting the pilot's possible heritage, Vader chose not to report back to Palpatine in person. Instead, the Dark Lord spent the next month on a private mission, running down hints about the newest Rebel hero. The torture of captured Rebel on Centares revealed the truth: the destroyer of the Death Star was Luke Skywalker, Vader's own son."-EC pg. 50

    By the way I looked through vader's quest and couldn't find any refrence to a one month date within that book itself, like you claimed. Do you know where in the book I should look if it exists?

    For further discussion on this related topic with Vader's quest, and Darth Vader's return, check out the "When did palpatine die" thread.
     
  20. TalonCard

    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    >Ya even the EC said that he suspected the pilot's heritage, but he needed a strong lead and confirmation from tortureing rebels before he could know for certain. <

    Quite right. That passage stuck with me, and I made sure to mention it in the Vader thread.

    >"In his own advanced TIE fighter, Darth Vader escaped the destruction of the death star. During the battle, he had sensed that the pilot who destroyed the station showed unual strength in the force. Already suspecting the pilot's possible heritage, Vader chose not to report back to Palpatine in person."<

    See, I assume here that Vader chose not to report back to Palpatine in person after being rescued in SL (which may or may not be one month after Yavin.)

    >Instead, the Dark Lord spent the next month on a private mission, running down hints about the newest Rebel hero.<

    This would be the month following SL. I assume further that Vader did not finish his quest after that month, but he decided to return to Coruscant anyway. (This is where the Missions books come in.) After that, I assume that Vader went on to Fondor, which leads, (as the Missions series indicates) into Classic Star Wars, where Vader nearly nabs Luke. After a stint at Fondor, I assume, he goes to Centares...

    >The torture of captured Rebel on Centares revealed the truth: the destroyer of the Death Star was Luke Skywalker, Vader's own son."-EC pg. 50 <

    And that's where Vader's Quest ends. TEC doesn't state directly that the month taken up by Vader's private mission culminated in the discovery on Centares, only that he spent a month on a private mission.

    >By the way I looked through vader's quest and couldn't find any reference to a one month date within that book itself, like you claimed. Do you know where in the book I should look if it exists?<

    Hmm... I didn't think that I claimed that. I must have phrased my last post badly. You are right, there is no such statement in Vader's Quest. Luke, upon seeing a holo of the princess in the story, comments on how he's seen more holographic princesses this month than ever before, which is where TEC probably got the one month date.

    TC
     
  21. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    Also doing some cross refrencing about technical aspects of escape pods, according to the EG to VV, it says escape pods can only carry up to two weeks of rations for long emergencies, but usually only carry a few hours worth of supplies. According to Darth Vader's return, they only have used up nearly all their rations and have only 2 days worth of rations left on board the escape pod(they are about to land).
     
  22. Valiento

    Valiento Jedi Knight star 7

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    So if one takes the liquidator to have been destroyed 1 week after death star's destruction, as nightowl preposed, about that same time vader was able to send off a message at some base(I propose that is was automated droid base so the only way he could leave was on his tie again).

    That would give termo and tix about 2 weeks maybe 3 weeks worth of rations, if they were careful to monitor their rations. That makes it about a total of 3-4 weeks(since the DS destruction) for Vader to be picked up by the Carrack Cruiser and taken directly to Palpatine. If 3 weeks, we consider that SL's, "one month" quote, to be a rough estimation, if 4, it would be right on the money.

    Death Star's destruction, Vader sent reeling out into space.

    1 week later; liquidator destroyed, vader limped to a nearby automated base to leave palpatine a message. He was in a coma during the time it took to get to the base. He leaves after he he is done with his message and goes back into a coma.

    2 weeks later ; vader stiill in a coma for his long journey, heading to the the direction of coruscant. Termo and Tix, are heading out towards an unknown planet at the same time.

    3-4 weeks later; vader's damaged tie is picked up by a carrack cruiser and taken to coruscant, where he heads to talk to palpatine, at the moment he lands, tix and termo(nearly out of their "2 week" rations) are about to land on the planet.
     
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    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Hmm... The problem there is that Vader decided *not* to return to Coruscant after he "returned", and that SL has Vader popping up after ANH in the Bright Jewel system, where he's picked up by a corvette. Then some other stuff happens, depending on which course you take in the book. (I'd have to have the book to tell if there is one destinct path you take, ruling out the Executor subplot and anything that gets Han killed.) Perhaps Tix and Termo's pod was a special command pod, with more rations, or an extra large pod designed to hold a lot of crewmen, with rations for each.

    TC
     
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    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Hmm... The problem there is that Vader decided *not* to return to Coruscant after he "returned", and that SL has Vader popping up after ANH in the Bright Jewel system, where he's picked up by a corvette. Then some other stuff happens, depending on which course you take in the book. (I'd have to have the book to tell if there is one destinct path you take, ruling out the Executor subplot and anything that gets Han killed.) Perhaps Tix and Termo's pod was a special command pod, with more rations, or an extra large pod designed to hold a lot of crewmen, with rations for each.

    TC
     
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    TalonCard •Author: Slave Pits of Lorrd •TFN EU Staff star 5 VIP

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    Whoops! Sorry about that...
     
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