Yoda gave bad advice to Anakin in the Temple?

"rejoice for those around you who transform into teh force. mourn them do not. miss them do not."

yoda is NOT saying: dont miss them, shut down your emotions, be apathetic.

he IS saying: INSTEAD OF DWELLING ON THE LOSS, rejoice for them and be happy that they have become one with the force.


hasnt anyone ever told you, if youve lost someone close to you, "be happy that they have gone on to another place. dont focus on their death, but focus on their being with god (or whomever/whatever you beleive)"

so while he physiclly said "mourn them do not," he did give an alternative, and a joyuous fullfilling one: rejoice for them

 

comments like this reek of naivete and ignorance.

you cant blaime the teacher for the students' failings, if the student didnt want to learn in the first place.



I fully agree.


Is Sidious any less of a human because he deals differantly with death too. The dark Lord did not shroud the vision of the Jedi, it was their own arrogance than Blinded them. They were over-confident, they thought the Galaxy owed them for their services. They were too cocky, over-confident. The irony of "Our Speciality are Sith Lords".


Yes Yoda says "Rejoice..." However it was him who could not rejoice at the death of younglings. Why mourn them, if they have just left for a better place?!


check it....... you are taking the word "rejoice" too literally...no, Yoda wasn't jumping up and down giggling like a little girl when he finds the younglings dead....he shows a somber tone, BUT HE IS NOT CRYING. this is really more my point, that He and Obi-Wan walk through the massacre scene, looking down at the younglings, in a somber and remorseful tone, but they ARE NOT MOURNING. a regular person who walked onto the scene would fall to thier knees and start crying on spot. But Yoda and Obi-Wan don't because THEY ARE JEDI, and they know that they must move on from this terrible incident.

also, what does Sidious' ways of dealing with death and the Jedi being arrogant have anything to do with eachother?

 

"The look on Ki Adi Mundis face when he's charging into battle and Clones turn.... That was worth a million. That just summisses the whole Jedi Attitude, and before you know it - they have contributed to their own downfall with their narrow minded views and short-sightedness."

while your finding joy in the deaths of valiant heros, i found joy in anakin's hellish punnishment, and i didnt feel a single ounce of pity for him, the moment he marched into the temple. i dont care if he was trying to save his wife, no life is more valuable then the next.

so i suppose were all sadists.

 

he gave great jedi master advise*
however he gave it to a WHUPPED anakin in love
and blinded by it,!!!

females have a way of doing things like that to men (even jedi)
i think padme was the chosen one*

 

and what is up with this thread becoming "The Jedi Suck"

have all of you been seduced by the dark side like Anakin was, did all of you buy into what Sidious was saying? it seems like the PT backfired on itself. The point was to see Anakin go from innocent little boy to Darth Vader....and somewhere along the way, some people go it in thier heads that Anakin was the hero of the trilogy, and, subsequentially, started siding with him on all of these things that, before the PT were considered wrong and evil....hmmm...just an observation.....

 

"comments like this reek of naivete and ignorance".

Yoda was too stubborn and resistant to change. Unable to adapt to the changing environment around him. He failed the Jedi. True, all the Jedi Masters were arrogant but Yoda was their version of the Pope. He was their leader.
Lets see, a hard-headed,self-rightous,arrogant,self-derprivating order causes its own demise. Am I the only one who sees the analogy GL was making between the Jedi and the Catholic church?

 

^i totally agree...with Dagobah_Dweller that is

sorry...you posted before i realize


face it people: the jedi were eliminated because one selfish man couldnt adapt. sure they were arrogant, but they always did what was best for the galaxy, and it always seemed to backfire on them, because someone (anakin) always manages to screw it up for selfish reasons.

 

You are a genious.

 

yeah!
yoda is always the one to point out to everyone they should assume that they know everything...

he always preaches arrogance and confidence.
what an arrogant bastard!!!

 

My previous post:

When you lose someone close to you, mourning and missing them is the natural HUMAN thing to do. To tell someone to let their loved ones go in such a fashion is inhuman!

Degobah Dweller's post:

ok, so I deal with loved ones dying in that fashion....an I inhuman? I don't mourn, and I don't miss. I simply let go, and are happy that they have left this world of suffering and are in a better place....I just deal with death differently from you, but not differently from the Jedi...which is what Anakin (supposedly) wants to be, so shouldn't he learn to deal with it the same way the Jedi do?

Sorry, what I meant to say is that it seems as if Yoda is telling him to basically forget about it. That death happens, get over it. What I meant to say was that we all need time to "mourn" for a loved one and when I mean "mourn" I don't necesserally mean or but just in general: YOU NEED TIME!

But Yoda comes off like he's saying you don't have the time as their are more important issues at hand (At least that's how it comes off to me.) So just let her go and move on NOW!

Again, Yoda's the man, and I don't fault him for his actions, it's the Jedi way, no matter how misguided.

 

That death happens, get over it.
imo he says: "death happens to all of us. it's natural. you can do something about it though. meditate and teach yourself to get rid of your ego. then you'll see the truth!"

anakin may not like it, but it's true and the only thing he can do.

 

"Yoda was too stubborn and resistant to change. Unable to adapt to the changing environment around him. He failed the Jedi. True, all the Jedi Masters were arrogant but Yoda was their version of the Pope. He was their leader.
Lets see, a hard-headed,self-rightous,arrogant,self-derprivating order causes its own demise. Am I the only one who sees the analogy GL was making between the Jedi and the Catholic church?"

how are they self-rightous? because they expect a member of their order to uphold certain rules? a member who is free to leave..whenever he wants? anakin wanted to be a jedi AND be a husband. he wanted to have is cake and eat it too. how greedy of him.

if he really disagreed that much, why didnt he just leave the order on good terms? it would have been easier on himself, the order, and most importantly, the galaxy. the force would have found another way for him to balance the force by destroying the sith.

 

You know in the novel and I thought th is was a really telling scene that displayed Anakin's "believed superiority" to Yoda and all the rest of the Jedi was when he came out of Yoda's meditation room and because he had not liked what he heard, waves it away by saying something along the lines of..."What would Yoda know...he had probably never been in any meaningful relationship whatsoever in his entire life." Well, how in the heck would Anakin know that? To say something about a creature that has lived for over 800 years really showcased Anakin's naivete and stupidity, I think. It, at the very least, shows that this is a young man who has not been able to really mature like he should. Yoda would know his fair share of death and would have had alot of practice in learning to deal with it. While Anakin might not like what he is hearing, Yoda has clearly laid it out that there is no escaping death. You can accept it and die with dignity and the knowledge that a better place awaits or you can fight it, fear it, and try to escape it and suffer while you do so.

As far as the Younglings, I see that as a bit different for Yoda. It would be upsetting because those children were slaughtered in cold blood and it was done by someone who was supposed to have protected them. THey did die natural deaths. He did not rail against it, however, and seemed accepting of the fact, which means that he believed they were one with the force and free.

 

^^^^ i think you hit the nail on the head...and the youngling thing...read a few posts up on that from me...pretty much the same thing!

 

yeah!
yoda is always the one to point out to everyone they should assume that they know everything...

he always preaches arrogance and confidence.
what an arrogant bastard!!!


lol...yeah but he's my favorite arrogant bastard! ..it is a trait he picked up from almost 800 years of being right!

 

What I was trying to say, was Ki Adi didn't see it coming. He was like "hey, what's this?! Don't you know I'm a Jedi Hero, I'm an upholder of the republic.... The Sith are extinct... rant rant rant" He was completely blinded by his own reputation as Jedi Master. What happened to sensing the force, being mindful of those around you?!

Whether I enjoyed seeing him filled with Clone fire is another matter altogether... And yes I did

That also brings me to another point, where Yoda does seem to show he has some Heart after all.... After "sensing" countless JEdi being murdered he puts his hand to his heart and drops his stick. This shows he has attachments and can't keep away the fear of loss. The look on his face, is one of fear, fear of what has happened. He appears to be mournful if you can call it that. He certainly isn't rejoicing at the Jedi Masters becoming one with the Force. Another example of how he incorrectly went about advising Anakin. Unlike Sidious, who corrupt as he is, understands Anakin. And relates to his concerns. Not like Yoda who just reads ancient script which is emotionless.

 

all i know is lucas did not intend for the jedi to be seen negatively in the prequels, its really the story you have a problem with. its hard to come up with a valid reason why someone would go to the darkside without one side or the other seeming bad

 

in ki adi mundi's defense...he was mindful of those around him. he could sense, like the other masters, that palpatine had ambitions of becoming a dictator. he just didnt know how deep palpatine's treachery ran.

and he did sense the clones turn...so he was being mindful. arrogant yes, but certainly his heart was, like the rest of jedi, was in the right place.


long live master mundi!

 

all i know is lucas did not intend for the jedi to be seen negatively in the prequels, maybe you have more of a problem with lucas' story writing


yeah...I agree...

 

i felt bad the jedi died, but i also felt bad that anakin got it too, sidious is really the jerk in all this. by the way i think yoda was trying to help anakin not to let his dreams consume him, much like he did with luke. maybe we should blame the force for causing all this havoc!

 

Great signature Dagobah Dweller, I love that song. ^_^

I did not see Ki-Adi as all that arrogant. I did not see that look as arrogant. I thought it was an incredibly sad look. It was a look taht showed his confusion and obvious betrayal. He had not personally done anything to deserve that. Most of the Jedi had not. There were obviously a few that had issues, but to be betrayed in such a way was a tragedy. Maybe yoda was rigid in some of his thinking, but he gave advice that was fairly consistent and good. Anakin just did not want to hear what he had to say and wanted to find an easy fix to all his troubles.

 

I don't know if Lucas has said that. But the way the PT comes across, is generally that all the Jedi are clouded, and their ability to sense and see what is coming has diminished, they are rigid, they have problems with the senate intefering or specifically the chancellor. They make rash statements which later proved untrue (e.g. sith being extinct), they can't come to terms with the changing reality of the situation, they are over-stretched and backward thinking. They have become arrogant without the Sith to keep them on their toes. And this is whta I see of the Jedi in the PT. Not at any point do you see them really getting a grip on the situation. Especially those you'd expect it from - Yoda, Mace Ki Adi. They are in complete disorientation, and Sidious has wound them round his little finger, they can't see The Dark Lord of the Sith in front of them - This is how they are BLIND yet they have eyes and claim to have the Force with them.

Sidious tell Yoda he is blinded by his arrogance... and like how any awake person who can see the danger in front of him would be able to see Sidious raise his hands for some "shock treatment" - Yoda just stares in amazement and gets blown to the wall. That just sums it all up - They never saw any of this coming, why? Because they are no longer what they claim to be - upholders of peace. Rather they are people who clinch for every inch of power, even if they convince themselves otherwise. That's why they panic when Sidious interferes with the council affairs. And it is only because they want to hold that power for themselves that they start to attack Palpatine not because they suspect him to be the Dark Lord himself.

The same can be said with how simply Sidious Jabs/Stabs his way pass 3 JEDI MASTERS. They were all like "hey?! *SHOCK*, what this he's got a saber and his about to stab me.... what shall I do?!" - most of them have never faced a sith lord - In their arrogance they allowed fools like Kit Fisto and the rest of the Mace Posse to be ranked Masters and yet Anakin THE CHOSEN ONE is not given that title. All because he is close to the Chancellor, and they see him as a threat to their power and not because they think he is a dark lord.

 

Using religion again folks to prove my point that Yoda gave good advice...

Christians (well most) are taught that you should rejoice when someone you know that is "saved" passes away. For they have ascended to something much greater then this world...

Their in heaven with God.....

It doesnt say you shouldnt be sad that they die.. But you have to remember the bigger picture.. There in a much better place and one day you will see them again...

Yoda is saying the same thing....

Do not mourn for those who die and become one with the force....

"Luminous beings we are.. Not this crude matter..."

And on another note...

IF ANAKIN would have heeded Yoda's advice and learn to let go, I believe he would have never turned to the darkside.. he would have destroyed the sith and fullfilled the prophecy...

 

they don't have a good feeling about palpatine, in a cut scene in the script they think hes being manipulated by the sith. oh yeah about the 3 jedi being killed lucas said that only yoda obi wan or mace could fight sidious and win

 

Padme probably would not have died either. Yoda told him that there was a great danger that in trying to stop the vision from coming true, a Jedi might actually cause the very thing he had foreseen. He told him that in the novel as well. Anakin was given all he needed to make the right decision and he chose not to. And in the end, he caused the very thing he wanted to stop, just as Yoda warned him.