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I would think something like Thunderbolts (old villains pretending to be new heroes) or a fully government sponsored, patriotic hero team (lets call them U.S.Avengers) is more likely to appear in the MCU.

 

I wouldn’t be surprised if they go Thunderbolts, especially if Zemo survives the Falcon/WS series.

 

Here are some fan concepts for MCU versions of Thunderbolts, with backstory:

Citizen V MCU concept art by Needham-Comics

"I have this idea how to introduce the Thunderbolts into the MCU.

It starts 5 years ago. We see Helmut Zemo in his cell. When suddenly there is a clap of thunder. Then several inmates and guards start turning to dust. (not sure how but) this leads to Helmut and several other inmates escaping... As Zemo slowly exits the prison he sees dust everywhere. Cut to years later... The team is assembled. Zemo, Emil Blonsky aka the Abomination, Samuel Stern, maybe Justin Hammer, and some others like Moonstone or maybe more preestablished villains. Zemo is now Citizen V, Abomination, much like Dark Avenger's Venom, was experimented on by Sterns to make him more stable and more compliant making him look more reptilian. Sterns is now the greenish big headed Leader seen in the comic Fury's Big Day(?) He is now a super genius. His alter ego? Or Blonsky's? Someone, maybe Tinkrerer from Homecoming is now Techno. And his tech armor and weapons is made from alien tech and Ultron and Stark tech... And some Hammer tech. Hammer could be trying to be the next Ironman as Mach-3. a former Hydra agent, Erik Josten uses the stolen Pym Particles from Antman to become Atlas. His suit is like Antman's full biker suit but with a Roman centurion gladiator type design to it.

The idea is that the villains are masquerading as heroes to get fame, riches, respect, and trust. They aren't going to take over, just yet, when you have the trust the Avengers had you have the keys to the city. But the twist this time is that Helmut Zemo is actually in this for noble reasons.

He saw how his plans in Civil War led to the rift, the Avengers Disassembling. The Avengers weren't there to stop Thanos, half of the Earth died because of him. So, donning a patriotic suit and Ironman mask(?) Zemo actually tries to help.

And because of this he is conning, maybe, the team into also being good. But like in the comics some like helping and some just want the money or its too hard.
They fight and take down villains like the Wrecking Crew, powers who try to take advantage of half the population being gone. The fact that plains crashed, cars wrecked, surgeons disappeared mid surgery, they take advantage of the lack of people and the destruction caused in the aftermath. But the T-Bolts have come to stop them. This movie, up till the end maybe, could take place during those 5 years... Or a good portion. Further establishing the post Snap World prior to Endgame.

Just like the comics, you have Zemo scheming, you have Carla/Moonstone manipulating Zemo. You have character studies in the gray areas of heroes and villains. What separates the two. Why is Hammer a villain and Stark a hero, etc. They all take new identities.

The main threat is actually the team. Sterns and Blonsky try to mutiny and the team take sides and have their own Civil War.

In the end they are all exposed and apprehended. But the government likes the concept of rehabilitating villains into heroes. The final scene we see the team assembled with some new members maybe. Their new leader/chaperone enters and its (cameo) Clint Barton. Sequel would be the Thunderbolts being used by the government like when Luke Cage led them."


Mcu Thunderbolts Idea by Needham-Comics



MCU Thunderbolt's Techno concept art wip by Needham-Comics

"This is, one, of my ideas for how the MCU can introduce Techno into the universe. Justin Hammer, sent to prison in Iron Man 2, is able to escape after the "Snap" because half of all the people getting dusted. Justin Hammer, Blonsky, and Samuel Sterns, and others like Dr. Karla Sofen, Mimi Schwartz, Hydra agent Josten, form a team. [...]

Justin creates tech from scraps left over from Ultron, Iron Man (like his fight with Hulk), the Chitauri, etc. He is shown to actually be really smart and capable with tech, just not as good as Stark. He thinks he, like many on the team, is smarter than the others or smarter than he actually is. They all have their own agendas and try to manipulate the others. "

 

Well I wouldn’t mind seeing red hulk, always thought he was pretty cool.

 

I would also say that required, if not the full movie, but the mid-credit scenes of Captain Marvel and Ant-Man and the Wasp as also essential. Also the post-credit of AM&TW (Ant rocking out on the drums) but not the post-credit of Goose yaking up the Tesseract in CM.

Unrelated, I thought it was kinda funny that Google Movies is straight up doing Price Fixing for digital copies of the movies. Hellboy which came out about 2 weeks before Endgame is 5 dollars, Shazam which came out a month is 6 dollars and Avengers Endgame on digital is 23 dollars. Blatant! Not even hiding it!

Noticed this because I finally digitally redeemed, like, 6 MCU movie codes on the blu rays (and all of the Disney Star Wars releases), for Google Play movkies now I'm wondering how far back these codes go or I would have to rebuy like Phase 1 digitally which the seem to be about 4 bucks a pop.(The oldest movie I could redeem was Civil War so far). Still need to figure out if the Sony-branded Spider-Man Homecoming digital code will work and Doctor Strange and GotG V2 to get all of Phase 3 movies in there. Remember, Disney+ is only launching with MCU movies, Captain Marvel, Iron Man, Iron Man 3 and Thor: the Dark World. (and Endgame later.) That's it! I don't know how long it'll take for the MCU movies to entirely wind up back on Disney+. (to say nothing of when Disney+ launches definitively in Canada, that is)

 

Not surprised about price gouging the digital versions.

 

I saw I could rent Guardians of the Galaxy for 4 dollars which I may do for the privilege of watching about 5 minutes or so while outside. See, this is why I am stoked for all of the MCU moves to get on one platform, eventually. (or if I dig through my blu ray collection how many of those digital redemption codes would work, I had Iron Man 2 and Captain America: The First Avenger on my ipod but even that went wonky lately) But who knows how long that will take, Netflix Canada just (re) added Avengers and Avengers: Age of Ultron to their service (I doubt they are available on Netflix US) so I frankly have no idea how/where all this is going to end up.

Complete MCU coming to Disney+ in, like, 2023 or something hahahaha.

 

Yes to Dark Avengers! I think these next two phases are about legacy and passing that on to the next team of Avengers. We have Spider-Man taking up Iron Man's mantle in Spider-Man: Far From Home, fighting over the Captain America title will likely be a major part of The Falcon and the Winter Soldier series, a new Black Widow introduced in Black Widow. Meanwhile we have Fury trying to rebuild a new team. I think the only way to end an arc like this is to then have the Avengers fight their evil counterparts for the soul of the team essentially.

 

So the more popular, newer film costs more. I am in shock.

 

And that's the proper name for it. A single seller like Google Movies can't unilaterally price fix.

 

Also worth noting that after one minute of research I found that Al is quoting the purchase price for End Game and the rental price for the other two. Shazam’s purchase price is the same as End Game, Hellboy is slightly cheaper.

Please try harder @BigAl6ft6

 

Huh it looks like Marvel TV isn't banned from Disney+ after all (although the only announced shows on Disney+ have been Marvel Studios though so far)

https://news.avclub.com/marvels-tv-branch-has-secret-plans-for-disney-and-the-1837190071

In a lengthy chat with Deadline, Marvel Television boss Jeph Loeb has revealed some little hints and teases about his plans for the future of Marvel’s TV adventures, and while there aren’t any actual big reveals, there is some interesting info on things that aren’t happening. For starters, he explains that the Disney+ Marvel shows we know about now, like Loki and The Falcon And The Winter Soldier, are all coming from Marvel Studios—the film branch—meaning they’re not affiliated with Marvel TV projects like Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. or Daredevil. That being said, Loeb notes that Marvel TV does have something in the works, even if we don’t know what that something is.

Before you jump to any conclusions, though, it’s worth pointing out again that Netflix still controls the four Defenders heroes and all associated supporting characters for the time being, so Disney+ can’t touch them for a while. Still, Loeb did tell Deadline that he and the rest of Marvel TV were “blindsided” by Netflix’s decision to cancel those shows, and some “things that were to come weren’t finished yet.” It’s unclear if he means that the studio was planning to do more with Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Luke Cage, and Iron Fist (Defenders 2, perhaps?), but it could just be that some of Marvel TV’s other plans were thrown off by these cancellations.

 

Has anyone ever said Marvel TV is banned from Disney+?

****ing hell.

 

I would like to see a Dark Avengers film at some point; especially with current American administration. However, I don't think the MCU right now is ready for that story line. I mean, to me, Dark Avengers incorporated elements of DC's Kingdom Come where Superman's "no kill" policy was old fashion, as well as a video clip going viral and thus creating mass popularity, which is this panel/scene from Secret Invasion...

Spoiler

After End Game and Far From Home, superheroes are being celebrated and memorialized (i.e Tony Stark), not quite the atmosphere for a Dark Avengers to take place. Moreover, I feel the main character(s) of the Dark Avengers needs to be introduced and given a few films in the MCU. Not teasers like Thanos, but definitely an omni presence and influencer in the MCU.

Well, the article nor Loeb did actually say any of the Marvel TV characters or projects will be on Disney+. They just may be regulated to Hulu, Freeform (Runaways/Cloak & Dagger) or the ABC Network (Agents of SHIELD/Agent Carter) or even FX where Legion is. We do know that ABC is working on a new female Marvel TV series. I don't see Runaways or Cloak & Dagger appearing on Disney+ and so, I wouldn't bet on any of Loeb's projects to be near Feige's projects or Disney+.

I suspect the FoX-Men verse and the other Marvel TV/Loeb works will be on Hulu. Which makes sense because Logan and Deadpool aren't PG-13 films.

 

I wonder if the Dark Avengers could be another name for the Midnight Sons? (Yes, I want that to happen!)

 

I would think they would be called Avengers Dark, akin to Justice League Dark. Just Marvel taking another jab at DC and stealing their thunder since Guillemo del Toro's Justice League was in development purgatory. I mean, Eternals is stealing all the shine that DC might of had with New Gods.

 

I think that something like the comics Dark Avengers would not really work in the MCU, at least not one that also have a bad guy leading the Avengers, S.H.I.E.L.D. and not really answering to anybody.

I could see a version where the U.S. government decide that they need a superhero-team that really answer to them and that's partly a patriotic propaganda tool both against US enemies and for its citizens. And in this national team they place some good patriotic supers (f.ex. U.S.Agent), together with captured bad guys who has been given new identities (some which are based on now dead or retired heroes - like Black Widow, Hawkeye and Vision) who are working for the government for a lighter sentence, a new identity and/or similar.

No. It could not be.

Your avatar is very fitting for that comment

 

IDC what they do with the Avengers or T-Bolts going forward, unless it’s Midnight Sons or the time-traveling TBs with Troll.

 

The thing is, the Marvel Netflix shows can't be on Disney+ because Disney has confirmed they won't have any content past PG-13/T. And those shows are MA with swearing and such that wouldn't be allowed on Disney+. So that is more likely the reason they'd wind up on Hulu.