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He appears in the new Aftermath book I believe, as a street entertainer in Theed. Apparently he's been vilified for his part in the rise of the Empire.

There might be more, but that's all that was in the excerpt I read.

 

"his part in the rise of the Empire"?! The proposal of powers to use a clone army? It's sad that fan misconceptions are once again returning to the EU.

 

I dont know, i think it´s a pretty decent edition to the new canon. Someone is always going to be the scapegoat. Jar Jar gets ostracized and he doesnt let it faze him, instead trying to cheer up the only ones who won't immediately ignore him. I think thats quite admirable, and who knows, Jar Jar may (hopefully) someday get a happy ending.

 

What does Anakin mean when he says "This whole operation was your idea."?

 

He probably means that Obi-Wan was the one who planned their mission strategy, to fly into the hangar in 1-man fighters to rescue the chancellor.

 

Right, Obi-Wan planned and was leading the mission to rescue the Chancellor.

 

Exactly, Anakin was just confused as to why Obi-Wan wasn't basking in the glory when this whole thing was HIS idea to begin with.

 

Fullest list you guys can think of of Jedi who turned to the dark side during the Clone Wars/ as part of the beginning or end of Clone Wars (Legends and Canon)...

Off top I can think of

Count Dooku
Sifo Dyas
Krell
Ventress
Quinlan Vos
Anakin

Sound right?

-T

 

I don't think Sifo Diyas turned dark, he was just killed by Dooku who took his identity.

 

Ahh, yeah I was always confused by the twists and turns of his story as the Clone Wars show gradually revealed it.

Thanks!

-T

 

The Databank still states that Sifo-Dyas placed the actual order for the clones, before his murder by Dooku.

 

I want to make sure I'm interpreting this right: For the 1000 years leading up to the events of TPM, the Jedi assumed the Force was in balance, right? With their belief that the Sith were extinct, did they feel there was no need for restoration by any Chosen One?
(Mace & Ki-Adi-Mundi seem incredulous towards Qui-Gon's assertion that he has found the prophesied One; is this why?)

And it's only through the confirmed appearance of the Sith that the Council decides to take seriously the possibility that the Force is out of balance, and thus accept Anakin into the Order in the possibility that he could be the one to correct this imbalance?

Or was their consensus that the Force was out of balance before Qui-Gon found Anakin?

 

The Force was relatively in balance during the events of TPM. But throughout the PT, as the Sith make bigger moves and create turmoil throughout the galaxy, the dark side grows, the Jedi abilities are ampered, and balance starts to break.

They seem incredulous that the Sith could still exist and have returned. Not that Qui-Gon has found the chosen one (although it's still up to debate).

It probably played a factor, since the destruction of the Sith and balance of the Force are tied together. The existence of the Sith in and on itself doesn't bring the Force out of balance. Their actions do, and it's only a matter of time until it happens.

 

Just a thought watching the beginning of Revenge of the Sith again, but when the Separatists ship Obi-Wan, Anakin and Palpatine are on, how come they all lose their footing when the ship nosedives towards Coruscant's surface?

Surely the artificial gravity should be attracting them to the floors no matter which plane or angle the ship is facing? It seems completely odd!

 

Did Dooku changed the archives before he left the order (10 years before ATOC) to hide the location of Kamino. Or was someone else helping him?

 

I always believed Windu's (and even Yoda's) incredulity implied that the prophecy of the Chosen One was out-of-fashion or at the very least disputed by the events of TPM. It was probably very old, so maybe it was archaic or even discredited. And I believe the tell was Yoda and Windu's surprise when Qui-Gon reported he believed he found a "vergence in the Force," which is vague and archaic-sounding in itself. And remember, Qui-Gon was always a renegade and the Council never totally trusted him, so I'm sure that was part of the disbelief. But after the Council tested Anakin's Force potential and discovered the Sith indeed still existed, they seemed to reluctantly accept the prophecy as true. But the Council apparently had misgivings about the prophecy and Qui-Gon's interpretation that Anakin was the Chosen One up until RotS: "a prophecy that misread, could have been."

So my assumption is that a) the Jedi disputed or simply disregarded "the Chosen One" as a possibility, or perhaps weren't inclined to such a literal reading of the prophecy, therefore they weren't (or at least the mainstream Jedi weren't) expecting the imminent coming of the Chosen One as some kind of messianic figure. And b) the Jedi must have believed the Force was "in balance" before TPM because they didn't suspect the Sith could actually still be around, or rather, a "balanced" Force had been the status quo for so long, it was a non-issue for the Jedi. They didn't talk about it. Of course, I do see a third possibility: the Jedi felt the Force wasn't exactly in balance because the balance had been very slowly shifting for some time before TPM, but not enough to be heavily in the Sith's favor until they revealed themselves to the Jedi. But anyway, I think I agree with your interpretation.

 

Okedoke!

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Not really since the ship had just been fired upon and whatever gravity generator/stabilizer the ship had was damaged. That's why it nosedives instead of simply floating around.

Yes.

 

In the commentary, they note that they are in the upper levels of the atmosphere, not all the way out in space. iirc

 

Did Palpatine have a vice/deputy chancellor?

 

Mas Amedda?

 

Thank you.

Another question, I think I recall reading (maybe in a Star Wars Fanfiction) that one of the Jedi Masters on the council was allowed to marry. Which one was that and why was an exception made for him?