TV Discussion The Supernatural Force (The Ones, Priestesses, Magiks etc.)

Is a choice with an outcome that is already determined a choice, or just the illusion of one? If it is not the force that determines one's choices ok, but then it cannot be a guide either because if events are pre-determined to occur, not even the force can have a will. Nothing can. There's just a pre-formed, inveterate "is". The world within the narrative ceases to become anything but what it is in ours: people reading a script. Paradoxes with the future don't have to occur if the future is always in motion. But now we've established it isn't.

 

But the World Between Worlds seems more to me than just seeing a river. It's more than seeing a waterfall ahead. It's seeing the waterfall and seeing that you will desperately grab a tree branch to prevent yourself from going over and will still fall over anyway. It's more than seeing the shape of forces that could guide your actions. It's seeing your actions. They do see what will happen along the way. Unless the clips we heard were chosen more as a convenience rather than to indicate they were a set in stone future.

 

I can’t wait to find out what how the force will finish what Darth Vader started.

 

As I think about it more, Star Wars can't be deterministic. Why would Palpatine care about a device that shows him an unchangeable future (unless I guess he doesn't know it can't be changed).

Also something of interest, in the Recon for a World Between Worlds, Filoni states that the Chosen One prophesy is something common to many force cultures. Its not just the Jedi.

Hey, maybe it is: "Perhaps it was the will of the Force, that the Jedi, and all your kind perish." Maybe Kylo is just the Force's pawn in this sad, deterministic world. Maybe the force isn't inherently good. Why else would it all itself to be used by bad guys?

 

I spoiled myself last night, even though I'm only at S3 E8.

Now I must catch up and get to this wonderful thing! Holy.bantha.poodoo!

 

After watching "A World Between Worlds", I do think the idea that Lothal is the Ones' "homeworld" has some credence. Or at least the idea that it was the major point of contact between the ethereal World Between Worlds true home of the Ones and the physical galaxy. Or I don't know, maybe they are just archetypes as Sabine says. Jungian concepts that manifest themselves in a similar way across cultures in the psyche but not truly fleshy physical entities that can walk around on a planet. Like maybe the Ones are the Force but the Force presents itself as individuals to make itself more mentally comprehensible to mortals. Of course, this is in conflict with the Son's desire to leave Mortis and escape to the galaxy (unless this is just a metaphor for Anakin embracing the dark side).

 

I feel it would be cool if Bendu popped up again because he just dipped from Thrawn.

 

Lothal is rooted strongly in the Force, like Dathomir, and likely has connections to the spirit realm as well. It would be interesting to have an origin story for the Ones, but it would also take away some of the essential mysterious quality to those demigods.

 

Can't stop thinking of this theory:
Bendu=Father
Son=White Loth-wolf
Daughter=Morai

 

Interesting theory, Wolf is angry sometimes and Aggressive, Morai is obvious Ahsoka owes the Daughter big time and Well the father was always in that middle sense with Kanan.

 

So at first glance, Ezra saved Ahsoka because he was always meant to save Ahsoka (i.e. because of the scene of her and the tunnel, we were never presented a timeline where Vader finished Ahsoka off). Which leads me to ask, can you actually change events in the World Between Worlds? Like, was there ever a timeline that existed where Ezra didn't save Ahsoka? A "Twin Pines Mall" timeline to the "Lone Pine Mall" one we've always been presented? Would Palpatine have become lord of time and space had the temple not been destroyed and able to bend events to his will?

 

Depends on whether Lucas adopted the theory of an alternate / parallel universe in the framework of his creation. If we look at the Infinities comics, I'd say LFL is open to the idea. For the purposes of Rebels, it would seem the gateway (WBW) is a permanent fixture outside of the space time continuum, which can be manipulated to alter a specific timeline, but in doing so, you might be creating an alternate reality yourself. Ezras actions may have brought about a causality loop / temporal paradox, because his action in the WBW altered the past. However, he didnt time travel per say, he existed outside of time when he rescued her. Ahsoka never died, she's been on (presumably) Malachor this entire time.

 

Reminded me of the Last Action Hero...

I think potentially beings could enter and exit these portals if they have either direct or indirect forced access(Sidious using magik and awaiting Ezra opening a doorway)which kinda makes me wonder if Bendu and Talzin slipped in this world between worlds during their disappearing acts or just what was Maul after with the merging of the Holocrons.

 

Something that just crossed my mind: Force beings are all Whills.

 

When you mean the force beings are you talking about the father, son and daughter?

 

I don't think Whills as sentient beings exists as a concept in Star Wars. "The Whills" is the force. IE Guardians of the Temple of the Whills are Guardians of the Temple of the Force. The force goes by different names, just as the light side and dark side are sometimes referred to as the Ashla and Bogan.
The Journal of the Whills, The Journal of the Force, is "Star Wars" as we know it. The story of the GFFA's fictional universe. All it currently is, and everything untold. It doesn't exist in the Star Wars universe, it's in ours.
Though I guess if you want to go really far out, you could refer to the World Between Worlds as the Journal of the Whills. It at least has everything told in the Star Wars universe. Presumably, there is stuff we haven't seen yet in those portals.

 

All of them: The Ones, Force Priestessess, the Bendu etc.

 

Edit: Sorry for double post.

 

Well that being dwells on the "planet of the Midi-clorians" or "Force Planet",lol.

 

At first he replied that either the Father or Bendu ist most powerful, but he immediately deleted it for whatever reason. Bendu is the Father confirmed.

 

Is what Pablo says even canon or just his own opinion & speculation? Most his tweets come off as nonsense and just his own opinions outside of the fantasy fiction.

 

He said people shouldn't take anything he says on twitter as canon.