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Amph 60+ Years of James Bond 007

Discussion in 'Community' started by Ender Sai, Dec 1, 2012.

  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I would not mind a gritter series as far as action and spycraft goes.
     
  2. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    I wouldn't want it too real-world; for me, Bond has to feel real and in jeopardy, but there has to be that element of... I don't want to say fantasy, but something eye-catching and epic, something you wouldn't see in a Bourne film. Difficult to balance those two aspects out, I know.
     
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  3. Jar-Jar Binks

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    can we all agree to just leave the gun barrel at the first?
     
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  4. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    Darn right we can (well, I can... shouldn't speak for others). :)

    And while they're at it, teach whoever gets the gig to actually hide their gun whilst walking, please and thank you. I was so excited to see SPECTRE open with a gunbarrel again, but then Bond sauntered on waiving his sidearm around like he was drying a wet sock.
     
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  5. godisawesome

    godisawesome Skywalker Saga Undersheriff star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    If it's *me*...

    - No reboot or origin story, but still a youngish Bond in the first film, who's in his "sophomore" years and building his rep, rather than having it firmly established already. He can become "infamous" and more recognizable in the later films.
    - Definitely go with the "gets the mission from mission control, mission control stays home" thing... but maybe expand it a bit by making it clear that missions go to agents who fit the scenario the best, with Bond being sent in when some "noise" is inevitable, if disagreeable, and some of Bond's habits annoy M.
    - Favor "pulpy" elements over both extremely mundane stuff and more overtly fantastical elements. Exotic smugglers, high class black market deals, eccentric assassins, and ambitious but not quite megalomaniacal main villains - at least at first - and make Bond's "thing" be the way he can fluidly move between the highest of fine society and deepest dregs of the underworld and be right at home in both.
    - Reintroduce Spectre, but as merely a mercenary part of the espionage "ecosystem" Bond operates in at first, rather than as central antagonists, and have their feud with Bond born wholly out of their professional conflict with him, only growing more personal. Like, they start by just connecting henchmen with villains and handling "networking," then gradually have to start treating Bond as a specific enemy by the later films.
    - Reintegrate gadgets, but in a purely clever way rather than either a "obligatory" fashion (I'd have at least some of Q's stuff never see use), but also less mundane than the Craig films. Disguised explosives, guns, knives, garrotes, etc., but no lasers, jetpacks, or invisible cars.
    - Only interesting Bond Girls, please; action girls, con women, MacGuffin keepers, whatever, just make sure they actually have agency, personalities, and some role in the story, and that Bonds seductions have some actual story to them.
    - Don't be afraid of either recurring antagonists or Bond Girls; Jaws especially could be reimagined as an effective recurring character hitting that pulpy sweet spot without being too campy.
     
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  6. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Forget trying to do "modern" Bond. Embrace the ****ing retro 50s/60s spy vibe.
     
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  7. Jar-Jar Binks

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    yes please.

    don't touch jaws to priceless.
    make a new henchmen.
    how about someone called, 'Dune'?
    a guy who wears one of those swimmers nose plugs all the time.?

    this i like but i wouldn't care if they completely left spectre out of the picture all together.
     
  8. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I was hoping Batista would survive Spectre and be a repeat villain in the vein of Jaws. But alas.
     
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  9. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Adhere to the character-driven, mordant, dangerous and lavish qualities of the Craig era, but with more emphasis on tension than spectacle. Try harder to offer up truly diabolical, memorable villains. Above all else, resist any temptation to revert back to silliness and splash. (It didn't work for Brosnan.)
     
  10. Jar-Jar Binks

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    I think they should drop the personal stuff for bond. Kept it minor no need to visit his house, findout more about his family and the like. Imo.
     
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  11. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I just wish they'd get on with it !!
     
  12. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Force Ghost star 5

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    • Bond is less severe. He can smile, laugh, and enjoy some of the amazing experiences he's permitted to have, even when his duties are grim.
    • Bond fails. First mission...he blows it. Maybe have some kind of moral victory, but the sting of losing gives the young 007 a determination to not fail again.
    • MI-6 is one step ahead of Bond for once. They are ready with something he needs before he needs it. The cavalry comes charging in at the perfect time, etc. Build a sense of the capability and prestige to the organization Bond is joining. Then in future films, as Bond becomes more capable, we get to see him surpass even the very powerful organization he serves.
    • Less brawling. The Craig era stuff was intense...but it took a lot of flak for being "Bourne-esque". I'm ready for Bond to do more out-thinking than putting henchmen through tables.
    • Don't bring in Spectre right away, but give us a truly great Blofeld in the first film, on his own. Spectre can develop in tandem with Bond in subsequent films.
    • I think we can dust off some of those cold war tropes now.
    • Have locations have some kind of connection. Not just "we've never had Bond go here before".
     
  13. Dr Silva

    Dr Silva Jedi Knight star 3

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    I agree with a previous comment no more modern Bond, its time to go back to the beginning and set it back in the 60s, basically 007 is a codename and Connery was one of many 007s back in the 60s , so we can follow another 007 on his missions, see new villians, locations etc.
     
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  14. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    The 'code-name theory' is one thing that would guarantee me not seeing a Bond film. It is horrible, imo.
     
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  15. PCCViking

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    Well, 007 can pass from one agent to another, but James Bond isn't a code name and shouldn't. No Time to Die showed there can be another 007 after Bond's retirement, and the classic series implied at least two different 006s (one I think was mentioned in From Russia with Love and of course, Goldeneye).
     
  16. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    When I say more realistic I use The Day Of The Jackal as a reference.
     
  17. soitscometothis

    soitscometothis Chosen One star 6

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    Yes, I assumed that Dr Silva was going with the full 'James Bond is a code-name' idea, which is a non-starter for me. It seemed that way in the context of his post, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps he could clarify his idea?
     
  18. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    I'd be happy to see the gadgets return. They just need to be good ideas.
     
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  19. Jar-Jar Binks

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    I love seeing Bond in his Commander uniform or I guess its a Navy uniform? When does he do that again?

    You only live twice
    roger moore is in uniform but i'm having trouble recalling when. isn't he? The Spy who loved me?
    tomorrow never dies

    Also I say Q from the Daniel Craig era returns. Ben Wishnaw I think it is.

    note to self: find 'day of the jackal'. i wonder if its like 'the jackal'.
     
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  20. Happy Sando

    Happy Sando Jedi Master star 4

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    Correct answer. :)

    Also, if I'm recalling rightly, the codename theory (that the agent's full codename is "James Bond, Double-Oh Seven" and not just the number) was something that was knocking around during development of Die Another Day, when a sincere attempt was made to get Sean Connery a celebratory cameo (some tabloids erroneously reported this as Connery being cast to play Bond's father).

    I think director Lee Tamahori even discussed it in several interviews, in which he agreed with it as a way of explaining the movies as a single continuity, but it's pretty clear that it wasn't popular, given how Casino Royale came along and strongly contradicted the whole possibility.
     
  21. Jar-Jar Binks

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    watching the day of the jackal*

    the commissioner is the mr drax from moonraker!
     
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  22. gezvader28

    gezvader28 Chosen One star 6

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    you should watch any movie shot in the UK in the 70's , it's a feast of character actors .
     
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  23. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Because every franchise needs to vanish up its own ass talking about itself these days, they should embrace the inherent contradictions of the franchise established by everything about Judi Dench’s M and have Bond be literally reborn in the 1960s as he then has to spend an entire movie coming to grips with living in an impossible continuity knot and a Möbius strip of existence. Hire an arch-surrealist to helm it and try to lose at least fifty million dollars at the box office to establish bona fides.
     
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  24. blackmyron

    blackmyron Chosen One star 7

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    Or they could follow Alan Moore's interpretation (arguably faithful to the original novels) and make him the ****ing villain.
     
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  25. Ramza

    Ramza Administrator Emeritus star 9 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Obviously the revelation that he is living an impossible loop existence drives him to villainy because it undermines his ability to take anything he does seriously. There’s no point in serving a cause when causality has failed.
     
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