A discussion on the impact of incest in your life

I just don't see whats so different between messing around with a girl from school, and your sister. So, if we were on holiday in Spain or something, would it be ok then?

I'm just asking you guys questions he is asking me.

UB

 

I just checked your profile, and you're in the United Kingdom. To the best of my knowledge, incest is illegal over here, and marriage is forbidden to all immediate family members, including first cousins.

Yes, you should tell your family member that what they're doing is wrong. Yes, it might be hard, which is why you should also organise professional help for them - you're not qualified to deal with something like that on your own. There is no excuse, there is no 'but what if...' - incest is wrong, and you ought to do something about it before it all ends badly; or rather, ends worse than it already is. It doesn't matter what you might have been told by your family, or friends, it isn't normal, and it can be very damaging.

- Scarlet.

 

The difference between the girls at school and your sister is that she is your sister! Also, your sister might be easier to exploit than the girls at school, even if she says otherwise. Incest is a taboo common to all societies and it is no more legal in Spain than the UK. You sound less like a concerned family member and more like some one in denial - if I found out one of my siblings was experimenting sexually with my sister I would be v. concerned. I suggest you seek professional help, there are no answers for you here.

 

Bulgaria, what should only children do to experiment?

 

erm, no, my sister isn't easy. Really, I'm not in denial, I'm just speaking for my family member.

Ariana - I don't know about "only children", the situation I am in is with someone with a sister.

Sometimes things just feel right, and no matter what other people think you want to do something. I really don't think its bad as long as no-one is getting hurt.
Has anyone else ever even thought about it ?

UB

 

I really don't think its bad as long as no-one is getting hurt.

If we put the natural revulsion aside...

The brother and sister will definitely get hurt, especially if something like this comes out and the public learns. Any kind of close relationship they have will be destroyed when they stop their "experimentation" eventually...you may not have seen what happens when people break up, but it is not pretty. Their own family will be disgusted by it when they hear about it, and invariably blame one of the siblings...probably the male, and he will not have it easy after that.

Too many bad possibilities to name, and it really gives me the shivers.

 

but there are certain "combined communities" were this sort of thing is common, and possibly encouraged. I can understand you not liking the idea, but if its ok to other people's societies, and really that no-one is getting hurt then its ok.

UB

 

Sometimes things just feel right, and no matter what other people think you want to do something

That's why mature people learn to control themselves. If everyone just decides 'what's right for them', things will end up incredibly horribly. Some sicko decides it's ok to have sex at a children's daycare in front of the kids, and says 'well I don't care about taboos! It's ok for me!'

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

Sure, if nobody is getting hurt, but aren't any potential offspring going to be subject to genetic faults or is this just an urban myth?

 

erm, no, my sister isn't easy Not 'easy', easier to exploit by an older brother who is unable to form a relationship outside of his immediate family. Don't kid yourself. Have you actually talked to your sister about this?

 

" Leave the moderating to the moderators. "

KnightWriter, relax a bit. This isn't a daycare center nor are we your kids.

He was in his right to say to keep this family friendly. This is a commuity and it is up to all to make sure the rules are followed. So calm down, cause you overreacted and were in the wrong there.

 

You won't find anyone openly supporting a right to incest anytime soon.

Incest is one of the only things in which every culture and every society on earth has decreed a flat-line rule. Incest is wrong in any way shape or form.

Ok, maybe there is ONE totally REMOTE AND IMPLAUSIBLE exception, where a brother and sister are the only two people alive on earth. But aside from that totally improbable and unrealistic situation, there is a brightline rule against incest.

I mean, every culture of man on earth! Incest is WRONG! I can't think of any societal custom more clearly defined without any exceptions than that. Even murder is acceptable in self defense and adultery is forgiven in cases of 'true love,' but unless I'm sorely mistaken about a tribe of aboriginies who say incest is best or fun jokes about the redneck south and high society Britain's inbreeding (why is it the highest and lowest classes of caucasion get made fun of for incest?), I can't think of a single one.

Why is that? I have to assume it's a biological instinct that is within our cells, because for every culture to have this unbreakable exceptionless rule has got to mean something!

 

i believe incest in the US is also illegal isnt it? If it isnt it should be Incest in my opinion is the lowest absolute level of being considered "white trash".

Another drip of gas in the fire............. what about step brother/step sister?

I am also against that even tho they are not blood related.

 

Then I'm guessing you didn't like "Clueless"


EDIT: And the Egyptians didn't consider it taboo. They frequently inbred to keep the bloodline pure. And so did the British royals to a lesser extent. Often marrying first cousins, until pretty recently.

EDIT 2: Oh and the Spanish royalty did it alot too, which is why by the end their chins and noses were almost touching.

 

That would explain Charles' looks.

EDIT: Re: The Spanish Royals: Well, one look at the Infanta Elena, and it all makes sense

 

A friend of mine married an older lady recently [he's in his early thirties, she's 40-ish i think. She already had 3 children of her own, one of which already has her own child. My friend, (let's call him "DJ" for the moment) has a brother. DJ's brother is the same age as his wife's daughter. DJ's brother and DJ's wife's daughter are also going to get married. This will make DJ's brother his brother and his son-in-law, and his brother's wife will be his daughter-in-law and his step daughter. Alternatively, it will make DJ's wife (let's call her HJ), the mother in law and aunt of her husband's brother. It's nuts!

Thankfully, there's no incest involved. It's just a fluke that the brothers had enough years in age between them that they both ended up falling in love with two women from the same family of equally different ages.

 

erm, no, my sister isn't easy Not 'easy', easier to exploit by an older brother who is unable to form a relationship outside of his immediate family. Don't kid yourself. Have you actually talked to your sister about this?

I don't like the sound of your comments, or the presumptions you are making. (1) this isn't me we are talking about. (2) its not an older brother / younger sister, its two people who are the same age. As far as I am aware they are both interested in seeing what happens.

many cults and communities believe that incest is ok, and commonly practice it. And please don't worry about genetic offspring, there won't be any as no-one wants to have intercourse.

UB

 

Personally, I'm not sure I ever could accept incest even assuming it was consensual. Sure, it happens, but that doesn't mean we have to condone it.

I have sisterly and brotherly feelings towards my siblings. Families have their share of 'normal' emotions and problems, but being lovers would only tear it further apart.

My brothers are the two friends I have that I know will never fall in love with me. And I like that. At least someone will always be there with a pure platonic relationship. Sure, I have plenty of friendships that will remain platonic, but sometimes a friend will surprise you with romantic feelings, often causing strain to the friendship.

 

Flamingsword - so you've never once even thought about the idea ?


UB

 

Incest happens. I've thought about it and known I could never be sexually interested in my siblings. But then I can't seperate sexual interest and romantic interest. I can't have sexual interest without romantic interest. Perhaps that's why I have such a strong distinction.

 

"Incest should be illegal, for several reasons. Firstly, because it presents a serious health risk to any child born of it."

Actually it's only over several consecutive generations that it poses a significantly greater chance of defects. And that ignores the fact that sex does not have to result in a child. There's condoms, pills, and myriad other forms of birth control. Of course, they're not 100% effective, but they're pretty close. If you want to argue that no one should have sex unless they want a child then that's another thing altogether.

"Secondly, because any child born of it would face extreme social castigating, were it to become public knowledge."

The same thing used to be used as an arguement against interracial relationships, and more recently against homosexuals adopting.

"Third, because participants might be suffering from emotional/mental damage which would cause them to take part in it."

This can most certainly be said for other relationships. How many people enter into relationships for the wrong reasons? Quit a bit, I'd say.

"And fourth because participants might be suffering from an abuse and covering it with the excuse of a consensual incestuous relationship."

This could also be said for any relationship, regardless of familial ties.

"Furthermore, I think it requires some degree of mental/emotional damage to participate in an incestuous relationship."

Once again, the same has been said of homosexuality. Quite often "emotional damage" is used as a synonym for "going too far against the grain"

"I'd like to concede that there are instances where non-abusive, relationships exist between family members which aren't caused by mental/emotional damage, but these are not healthy relationships. A relationship with a family member is not socially acceptable, and never, ever will be.

So socially unaceptable = unhealthy? By that logic, nothing should ever change.

The best arguement against incest, I think, is that it could warp pre-existing relationships. If you enter into a sexual relationship with your mother, for example, it might be hard or perhaps even damaging to try to think of her as both mother and lover.

However, I think that is mostly a product of our society. It's society that says it's wrong. It's society that convinces people what they're doing is bad even if everyone involved is enjoying it. So I think any damage that occurs from a consensual incestuous relationship is more a result of society punishing one for it than of any inherent wrongness.

"Also, your sister might be easier to exploit than the girls at school, even if she says otherwise."

Yeah, because everyone knows you can't believe what a female says, why they're just not smart enough to make their own decisions.

 

Now, I am not going to speak on whether it should be legal or not, but I want to note one thing:

I am not seeing the difference between homosexuality and incest.

People here seem to be saying homosexuality should be legal because that's just the way the partners feel. However, when someone with the same feelings towards consensual incest steps forward, they are shouted down with cries that it is not normal and it is wrong.

Also, the Santorum controversy plays right into this. He compared (indirectly) homosexuality to incest, saying that if the government can't make laws outlawing homosexual acts, then by extension, they don't have the basis for making laws outlawing incest between consenting adults.

 

You know what else is wierd? What about all those twins and triplet playmates they have in Playboy, all running around being sexy and naked together...

 

Well I happen to think both are wrong. What is so wrong with thinking that not everything we want to do is ok, huh? Whatever happened to standards? Some people want to abolish any kind of moral code there might be and I just can't stand for that.

I understand that people can be close to their siblings. I'm best friends with my brother. I can see how, because you are close to your family (hugging, etc) through your youth, you could confuse that kind of affection and friendship with romance. I just think it's one of those things that you have to step back at the situation, look at it, and say to yourself "is this really a healthy, good practice?" Especially because what happens if one of them decides they want out. How are they going to go back to being just siblings after 'experimenting' as you say with each other?

-sj loves kevin spacey

 

Yeah, lesbian twincest porn is quite common.

I personally think that incest among consenting adults should be legal.