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CARDS *A* SW:CCG Attack of the Clones Expansion Project (formerly Quest's)

Discussion in 'Archive: Games' started by The2ndQuest , Apr 29, 2002.

  1. Mamow_Nadon

    Mamow_Nadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Great cards. Just one thing I notced on the Kamino Padmé: The 'Senator' in lore should be bold, but isn't. Other than that, they're all great!
     
  2. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    One thing I notice offhand is I believe Beru's last name is spelled "Whitesun" not "Whiteson".

    Also, with the Queen, change the reference of "an assassination target" to "a Mark" (unless your referring to the card, Assassination Target, specifically).
     
  3. Mamow_Nadon

    Mamow_Nadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Also (continuing on what 2ndQuest said), Assassination Target (or Mark, whatever you choose to use) should not be in italics.

    On another note, I leave for California tomorrow morning. But it's early, so I'll be able to voice my opinion and stuff. But I won't be able to make any new cards for a while.... :[face_sigh]:.... anyway, see you guys tomorrow!
     
  4. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Spelling was never one of my strong points. I'll make that change to the Beru card in the morning. I'll also change the Senator to bold face as well on the Amidala card. With respect to Assassination Target, I was in fact referencing the card itself. If you don't think that works, let me know. I'll change the italic font to regular.

    Mamow ...hope you have a good trip. How long will you be gone? Your input will be missed.

    R'Bolt
     
  5. BigPoppaJabba

    BigPoppaJabba Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Jun 4, 2001
    *We can keep it a secret
    ?Then we?d be living a lie- one we couldn?t keep up even if we wanted to.?

    Light side effect.

    Deploy on table. At the start of your battle phase, you may use 2 force to peek at the top card of your reserve deck. You may then opt to place it on top of your reserve deck or used pile. Your opponent may then use (or lose) 2 force to look at the top card of your reserve deck. (Immune to Alter)

    *Become unreliable Dooku has.
    ?Joined the Dark Side. Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now.?

    Dark side effect.

    Deploy on table. At the start of your battle phase, you may use 2 force to peek at the top card of your reserve deck. You may then opt to place it on top of your reserve deck or used pile. Your opponent may then use (or lose) 2 force to look at the top card of your reserve deck. (Immune to Alter)

    *You?re making fun of me!
    ?Oh, no, I?d be much too afraid to tease a senator!?

    Light Side Used or Lost Interrupt

    USED: Activate 1 force if Anakin or Padme (2 if both) at Naboo: Waterfall.
    LOST: Reorder the cards on Forbidden Love from the highest destiny (at the top) to lowest destiny (at the bottom)

    *It?s all Obi-Wan?s fault!
    Anakin was all to willing to let his master take the blame for what the young Padawan perceived as failings.

    Dark Side Lost interrupt

    If Obi-Wan and Anakin are in a battle together, draw two destiny. Subtract he total from opponent?s total power and attrition against you. OR If Vader and Obi-Wan are in a battle together, both players draw destiny and add power. Lowest total is power ? 4 for remainder of battle.

    Cloning.

    Here are a few ideas that I have come up with for cloning. As with anything I contribute, they are for consideration, and I am happy for them to be reworded, rethought or changed. I cannot guarantee precision of quotes nor correctness of spelling.

    The concept of cloning is central to Episode 2. The volume of soldiers fighting the droid armies was awesome, and the battle footage is spectacular. How we handle cloning in our project is important. I have come up with some suggestions.
    Kamino is essential to cloning. While it would be possible to have clones in any deck, to do cloning, you need Kamino, specifically the cloning banks. There are also some rules needed for clones.

    Either the boldface term ?clone? in their lore, or a symbol identifies clones.

    In the film, clones seemed to be hopeless without a leader, someone to give directions. Notice how the clone that fell out of the drop ship with Padme could only think of getting back to the command center. Thus clones cannot draw battle destiny or initiate battle without a non-clone present.

    Naturally, characters like Yoda would have more influence over clones than a character like Kabe. To reflect this, there would be a command value for each character equal to his or her ability (leaders would be able to add 1). Therefore, if your ability 4 character (lets say Commander Luke Skywalker) initiates battle, you may only choose 4 (he?s a leader) clones to fight along side him. Clone leaders could add to a non-clone?s command value.

    Considering that Stormtroopers don?t have these limitations, maybe they could only apply to a cloning deck. (But I am quite keen on them. They match the clones in the movie)

    Remember that there is a difference between using clones in your deck (no different to a Stormtrooper in a deck) and playing with a ?cloning? deck.

    Ideas for Cloning decks:

    *Two Hundred Thousand Units are ready
    ?You will be delighted to hear we are on schedule?
    Image: Clones getting their helmets from the racks.
    Light side Used or Starting Interrupt

    USED: Place up to 3 clones from Another Million on the Way into your hand.
    STARTING: Deploy A Million More on the Way, Kamino: Clone Training Area and one effect with no deploy cost. Place interrupt in used pile.

    *A million More on the Way
    Light Side Epic Event
    Image: Embryos in spheres.
    Deploy on Kamino: Nursery.
    If your clone was just lost from table, may place it here. During yo
     
  6. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Great stuff BPJ! I'll see if I can work up some of the suggestions in the near future.

    With respect to the suggested changes mentioned yesterday evening, I've posted them to the site. Kamino . I have also posted a potential Moisture Farmer supporting effect "A Farmer's Life" as well.

    As always these are suggested cards subject to the feelings of the group as to whether or not they should stay, be changed etc. At some point we'll need to make decisions as to what should or should not be in the particular expansions. I know I've mentioned the idea to 2ndQuest of putting up a separate page (or two) for cards which were made, but which did not make it into the expansions.

    R'Bolt
     
  7. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >> *We can keep it a secret &*Become unreliable Dooku has.<<

    I'd trim the gametext slightly to this...(we might want to trim it even more if we can, but for now...)

    Deploy on table. At the start of your battle phase, you may use 2 force to look at the top card of your reserve deck and then place it on top of your reserve deck or used pile. Your opponent may then use (or lose) 2 force to look at the top card of your reserve deck. (Immune to Alter)

    Also, I don't believe "Become unreliable Dooku has" is an actual quote.


    *It?s all Obi-Wan?s fault!

    slight revision...

    If Obi-Wan and Anakin are in a battle together, draw two destiny. Subtract total from opponent?s total power and attrition against you. OR If Vader and Obi-Wan are in a battle together, both players draw destiny and add power. Lowest total is power ? 4 for remainder of battle.



    >>Either the boldface term ?clone? in their lore, or a symbol identifies clones.<<

    Good idea.

    >>In the film, clones seemed to be hopeless without a leader, someone to give directions. Notice how the clone that fell out of the drop ship with Padme could only think of getting back to the command center. Thus clones cannot draw battle destiny or initiate battle without a non-clone present.<<

    Interesting observation, I like it.

    >>Naturally, characters like Yoda would have more influence over clones than a character like Kabe. To reflect this, there would be a command value for each character equal to his or her ability (leaders would be able to add 1). Therefore, if your ability 4 character (lets say Commander Luke Skywalker) initiates battle, you may only choose 4 (he?s a leader) clones to fight along side him. Clone leaders could add to a non-clone?s command value.<<

    Also very good ideas.

    >>Considering that Stormtroopers don?t have these limitations, maybe they could only apply to a cloning deck. (But I am quite keen on them. They match the clones in the movie)<<

    I'd be hesitant on making any mechanics on the asumption that stormtroopers are clones. Also, as it is now, by the time of the OT, in the EU stormtroopers are mostly conscripted with only some still formed of clones, so they used clones to start the army but recruited to maintain it over time apparently. Regardless, I don't want to step over anything in episode 3.

    >>Ideas for Cloning decks:<<

    As a correction to the quote, it is "A Million More Well On The Way"

    "Deploy on Kamino: Nursery.
    If your clone was just lost from table, may place it here. During your control phase, may use 2 force (1 force if your Jedi Master on table) to take any clone from here into hand. During your activate phase, instead of activating force from the nursery?s icons, you may place a clone here from reserve deck (reshuffle). Clones may not initiate battle destinyunless total ability of non-clones present (+1 for each leader) > x (where X = number of clones present at that site)."

    With the area highlighted in bold, do you mean may not initiate battle or may not draw battle destiny?

    I like alot of your ideas, they could work well with my initial ideas on cloning as well. I don't have full gametext yet, but I was planning some cloning objectives that your epic event would support very well...

    lightside would get:

    This Army Is For The Republic/They'll Do Their Job Well

    which will focus on creating clones- mainly numbers based.

    Darkside would get:

    Growth Acceleration/Immensely Superior To Droids

    which would focus on creating stronger, more powerful cards, but would cost more. Although I've considered perhaps dropping this concept in faor of a seperatist kovemtn objective. But I like the idea of providing a cloner for each side to use (Lama Su for lightside, Taun We for dark).

    Also, along the lines of your comment of a difference between fighting with clones and making them, a lightside objective i have planned for Geonosis called:

    The Jedi Have Amassed A Huge Army!/This Party's Over

    Would follow along those lines.

    >>*I Hate Them!<<

    I don't think we'll be ab
     
  8. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Love it. Sound's neat. With respect to the format for card submissions, it would make it a heck of a lot easier if they could be in this format (along with suggested images which I can try and use depending upon what I'm able to find).

    **************
    *Diplomatic Cruiser
    Destiny: 2
    Lore: Diplomatic barge designed to correct the drawbacks of the 327 model with enhanced shields, increased engine thrust and two hyperdrives.
    Starfighter: J-Type Custom-Built Nubian
    Power: 2
    Armor: 7
    Hyperspeed: 7
    Icons: Republic, Pilot, Astromech
    Deploy: 4
    Forfeit: 5
    Gametext: May add 1 pilot and 4 passengers. Permanent pilot provides ability of 2. Weapons may not deploy on this starship and it's hyperspeed may not be reduced. While landed, adds 2 to the politics of your republic characters at related sites. Immune to attrition < 4.
    ***************

    The idea of having all the info: Destiny number, deploy, forfeit etc. would make interpreting the information especially with suggested changes a lot easier to work with.

    I'd love to get a lot of these at least into the workup phase and put on the Cards In Process page if possible.

    [Edit: I understand a lot of the cloning stuff is Kamino, but suggestions can still be worked up as they are submitted.]

    R'Bolt
     
  9. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Hey BPJ ...let me know if this is what you have in mind for some of those cards you listed earlier today! The site needs gametext but I thought it would look good alongside the other cards. 2ndQuest, I know you prefer sites without characters "but" this particular site I believe works "well" with them!

    Posted: Kamino

    A Million More Well On The Way
    Two Hundred Thousand Units Are Ready
    Kamino: Clone Training Area
    We Can Keep It A Secret
    Become Unreliable Dooku Has (Would appreciate the actual quote_I don't have the film so I can't check it)
    It's All Obi-Wan's Fault
    You're Making Fun Of Me

    I also posted a different pic for "I Will Not Give In To This." Heart of the Republic

    I may try working up the other two you suggested tomorrow: "The Trials" and "I Hate Them." Please let me know about any suggested changes, deletions, etc.

    R'Bolt
     
  10. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>2ndQuest, I know you prefer sites without characters "but" this particular site I believe works "well" with them! <<

    No complaints here::)
     
  11. MoronDude

    MoronDude Jedi Knight star 6

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    I have a correction:

    In Cleig Lars' lore, Shmi's name is misspelled "Shimi"
     
  12. Jedi_Hope

    Jedi_Hope Jedi Padawan star 4

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    I've got an idea. an interupt or effect called "an unaltered clone" [or something like that that reads: If Jango Fett Just survived a battle may use two force to serch reserve deck for ______ [new boba [young] card] and put into play on any Kamino site." So whatdaya think?
     
  13. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Thanks MoronDude for the correction. I also found a number of other typo's in some of the cards yesterday evening after having the time to sit back and look more closely at some of the cards. Any input on playability would be appreciated as well.

    Jedi-Hope sounds like a potentially interesting card. Complete input as I indicated above would be neat (Lore, Gametext, destiny number, deploy cost etc). I know 2ndQuest has a Jango [Edit: this one is already done_but posted in HOTR I believe] and Boba planned for Kamino. He might already have something to this effect planned in the gametext of those cards.

    R'Bolt
     
  14. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Jul 13, 2002
    I... Have... INTERNET CONNECTION!

    Yess.... Mamow_Nadon here, from San Diego, California. Unfortunatly, I forgot my origional password, so I made a new account. Anyway, cool cards, just one thing I see so far: How come Clone Training Area doesn't have any text?

    And here are some card ideas (no text for them yet):

    Kamino: Clone Teaching Area
    Massif (creature)
    Watto, Junk Dealer
    Hatching A Clone (this should be an Epic Event actually allowing you to clone)
    Tusken Slaughter (this should be an effect somehow changing Anakin to the Dark Side)

    All those should go in Kamino (starwars.com has a new databank entry!)

    Rednax
    Boggs Tyrell
    Conduit Worm (creature)
    Stone Mite (creature)
    Cormé
    Dormé
    Captain Typho
    Representative Binks

    Those should go in HotR. And that means that we are really close to finishing that one.

    But that's it.
     
  15. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Well these are cards which have yet to be completed for HOTR (all suggested by 2ndQuest) in addition to the possible cards you've listed, Mamow. I'm sure there are probably others we can do. At last count I believe there were approximately 75 cards posted to the HOTR page. I would think we should shoot for 100 card expansions (possibly more). I suspect not all cards posted will actually make the expansion.

    [I need pics for most of these.]
    Locations (Lightside)
    Coruscant: Dex's Diner (Interior)
    Coruscant: Entertainment District
    Coruscant: Jedi Temple (Outside Shot)
    Jedi Temple: Main Hallway (Have pic_need gametext)
    Jedi Temple: Atrium (Have pic_need gametext)
    Coruscant: Outlander Nightclub

    Locations (Darkside)
    Coruscant: Dex's Diner (Interior) (need pic and gametext)
    Coruscant: Financial District
    Coruscant: Refinery District
    Coruscant: Traffic Air Lane
    Coruscant: Skyscraper Ledge

    Other Cards:
    Elan Sleezebaggano (Need pic and gametext)
    Flo [WA-7] Server Droid (Need lore_gametext)
    Death Sticks (need pic)


    I've also posted the following cards to the Cards In Process page this morning: Cards In Process

    The Trials (not sure which expansion this one is destined for). Also, I'm not sure if the card should have Jedi Test "6" listed, or just Jedi Test.
    I Hate Them
    R4-P17
    R4-P17 (alternate image)
    Blast This Is Why I Hate Flying (potential Kamino candidate)
    A Jedi's Determination (potential Kamino candidate_lightside version of Blast...) We really need input on playability for a lot of these.

    [Edit: Mamow...yes the Clone Training Area location was posted without gametext even though it's not complete. I don't know what the objectives planned will do. We are all going to need to wait on input from 2ndQuest in order to get into working with all the cloning related cards.]

    R'Bolt

    [Edit 2: I also have a question about "The Trials". Should the deploy portion of the text read "a character of ability > 4 or < 4? How many non-Jedi characters have ability > 4?]






     
  16. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    There's a pic of Deathstick in the page of the AotC Visual Dictionary with Elan Sleazebaggano on it. So that's like killing two birds with one stone.

    Oh, and I'll have some Elan gametext reeeal soom... within the next two days.
     
  17. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Yeah... I know. I'm going to need to head in to work. My scanner at home isn't working and I've been on vacation. I may just borrow one from the office and work with pics provided in that venue.

    R'Bolt
     
  18. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Hmmm... I have a scanner where I'm vacationing, as well as the Visual Dictionary... maybe I'll scan it...
     
  19. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Here's Sleazebaggano:

    *Elan Sleazbaggano (Alien) (3) [Ep2]
    Male Sylthmonger who is a frequent of the Coruscant night scene. Containing a deeply rooted addiction to deathsticks, his life would be forever changed after his encounter with a Jedi.
    Power:2 Ability:1
    Deploy:3 Forfeit:*
    * Forfeit = 1/2. During any control phase, may 'solicit' opponent's non-droid character at random; if character has ability of; 1-3: character's gametext canceled and may not participate in battle this turn, 4-5: no effect, 6-7: place Elan out of play.
     
  20. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Here's the Elan Sleazebaggano pic:

    [image=http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/mamow/sleaze.txt]

    And here's Deathsticks:

    [image=http://www.angelfire.com/theforce/mamow/dsticks.txt]

    Enjoy!
     
  21. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Posted Death Sticks and Elan Sleezebaggano to the Cards In Process page. Thanks for the pics Mamow. Hopefully you like the end results. I actually stopped by the office and picked up a scanner yesterday afternoon so I'm set on that score for now.

    I modified your gametext a bit Mamow, by replacing the ability idea by having the player draw destiny. Adds a bit of uncertainly to using the card. I personally didn't see a reason why a person playing the card would ever want to purposefully lose Elan from the table by soliciting a Jedi. This way the possibility exists that Elan will solicit a Jedi and be lost as a result. I'm not sure about the forfeit. 1/2 is definately an inhibitor to using the card. I think a forfeit of 2 or 3 might actually encourage using the card more. Any input on this card (or any of the others recently posted) 2ndQuest?

    Also any input as to whether or not Death Sticks should be "unique"?

    Cards In Process

    R'Bolt
     
  22. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Nice job on the pics. A few things:

    Yes, a forfeit of 2 would be good on Sleazebaggano.

    I believe Elan's name is spelled 'Sleazebaggano'.

    Elan is a slythmonger, not a 'sylthmonger' (that was my typo).

    I think the 'at random' part of Sleazebaggano is kind of redundant. How is a character chosen at random?

    Deathsticks is one word.

    Other than that, great! I like the change you made on Sleazebaggano, too.
     
  23. Restrainingbolt

    Restrainingbolt Jedi Padawan star 4

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    Don't know about Death Sticks being one word. The Visual Dictionary shows it as being two words on page 23. I have made changes to Elan's name on both his character card and in the text where he's referenced in the Death Sticks text. I should have the corrected cards posted in the near future.

    R'Bolt
     
  24. MamowNadon

    MamowNadon Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Okay. And I just saw the Death Sticks thing. *smacks head* Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!
     
  25. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    >>Any input on this card (or any of the others recently posted) 2ndQuest? <<

    I'll review them later tonight.

    Also, didn't MoronDude or somebody say they were working on an Elan card a few pages (well, probably more than a few...) back?