PT A thread for PT-fans to discuss their criticisms of the TFA's marketing's treatment of the PT

But she has a career. Also that is normal to happen. Mark Hammil and Carrie Fisher have no mainstream career outside of Star Wars.

 

what?

 

I'm saying that actors who have massive well know franchise roles tend to have a hard time find roles in other movies. It is not the PT's fault. It happened to Carrie Fisher and Mark Hammil as well.

 

if disney and lucasfilm feel there arent a significant amount of you, then they probably will.

 

But there is a significant amount of us. More than you think.

 

Would you defend Disney if they took (or take) PT fans for granted?

 

In the case of Hamill & Fisher the issue was typecasting. Their careers didn't suffer bcs people thought they were "horrible" the their SW roles. Quite the opposite, their characters were so popular audiences found it hard to see them as anything else. Portman said no director wanted to work with her for a while bcs "everyone thought she was a horrible actress" after the first two prequels. Not bcs she was good in the role & had become typecast. Two very different scenarios there. Also I wouldn't take this as her blaming the prequels as such. If anything she's criticising her own performance in them, or at least other people's perception of it.

Yes but most PT fans are Saga fans. Many of them realise this story is set 60+ years into the future from the PT & features none of the main PT characters. Therefore the PT isn't being ignored, it's just not as relevant for obvious reasons. Also there's logic behind the idea of trying to roughly match the visual look of the OT with this new episode. This is Ep7 which directly follows Ep6. To me it makes sense to have a more colorful stylized aesthetic for the prequel episodes set during the final years of the Old Republic, back in the more "civilized age". Then a more industrial gritter look for the subsequent episodes when the galaxy has gone to hell & we see several decades of civil war.
This is why I don't consider the focus on practical effects as some huge slight against the prequels. It's a logical filmmaking choice. Yes they've marketed this fact in a way that cashes in on some anti-PT sentiment but at its heart is a sound decision that makes sense within the story.

 

Darth Downunder I do agree with you on the gritty-looking galaxy part. In fact, I'm pretty sure the original idea to go for a retro look with the new movie was actually Lucas's

 

That particular aspect will only be perceived to have been Lucas's idea if it gets criticised.

 

Actually your the one who likes living in the fantasy. The fantasy that the PT was somehow not one of the biggest and most successful franchise reboots in history that without a doubt tripled the fanbase. See that box in my picture? Thats the SW Saga and it wouldn't exist today if it wasn't for Lucas and his PT. And Its the angry, insecure people who go around calling themselves "OOT Purists" that are viewing things wrong and have been since 1999. George Lucas feels this way and so do his loyal fans. And for your info I have been a SW fan since the year 1996 when I was 7. I Saw with my eyes what divided this fanbase and it was persistent haters like you working against anything Lucas does like as if its your job. Get it through your head that it was personality's like yours that created groups of people that are now so pretentious that they actually go around calling themselves "Purists". Those are the only ones with the "narrow view that's full of generalizations". You love to generalize away the MAJOR success of the PT as a whole and what a pop-culture powerhouse it was when it came out. At least us Saga and PT fans choose to side with George Lucas's View. The View that you make it your job to fight against like angry children who did not get their way. And stop exaggerating. There doesn't need to be a "conspiracy at work" in order to have a PG rated fantasy movie plot go over the heads of dull people looking for "their childhood magic".

And its actually the complete other way around when it comes to casuals and the general public on their view of SW. The normal, casual public watches and sees the whole complete official versions of all 6 SW films in Chronological order on MAINSTREAM channels like Spike TV every X-mas, every veterans day weekend they have marathons, every 4th of July, every Thanksgiving weekend they have been known to have OS marathons. People put Prequel character bumper stickers on their cars around my own home town. I SEE this one the highways. I DO actually go up to strangers and talk about SW (I do community work and I also work the polls for elections) and they (just like their kids) all automatically know who Darth Maul is, they know and love the Jedi Council Vs. Sith aspect, they all Love young Obi-wan, they all love Yoda with his lightsaber, they all know the difference between Anakin and his son from the OT and like his dark journey. They are almost ALWAYS familiar with TCW tv show that their kids all watch and LOVE. Kids go on and on about The Clone Wars and all their favorite PT Lore. Know what I do? I look into their eyes. I look into their eyes and I just listen to them going on and on about all kinds of in-universe PT lore and do you know what I think of??? I think of relentless bashers like you who are going to give these kids a hard time online for what their generations favorite Trilogy is. Thats what I think drives you crazy. The fact that you really did loose the "battle for hearts and minds" when it comes to the PT and the franchise it completely re-invigorated (world-wide btw) and basically SAVED. Many, many archived polls and threads and FACTUAL EVIDENCE on this very site prove that the two trilogy's were actually received quite similarly. Episode 4 came out to a lot of hype and mixed reviews (with many detractors at the time angry at the film for trivial things like "it makes war look fun for kids!") people tryed to say Lucas "killed artful and tasteful cinema" with his blockbusters then Episode 5 came out and everyone basically hated it and said it was "nothing compared to SW!" and then Episode 6 came out and saved the day with everyone saying it was good again. Sound familiar? No? That doesn't sound like any other Trilogy you could think of? Hmm? Thats what you need to get through your head: The OT was not ever this "big beloved thing" that you rose colored glasses people like to see it and think of it as.

The PT also won --and was nominated for many Academy awards and other Saturn awards, Not to mention THE PEOPLE CHOICE AWARD that ROTS won, then countless MTV awards exc. It broke, smashed and re-set WORLD RECORDS over and over again for all the extremely successful re-releases in IMAX and dvd sales and tv ratings. I (and PT fans like me) dont need ANYBODY to "let me know" how those movies did, I LIVED them and they rocked the world and did great and then great again and again on home video. You seem intent on bringing them down. More then intent actually. And I would say that if they really were the big failures and catastrophes individuals like you seem to have such a burning need to tell the world than how come fans like you have to keep getting up every day and coming back to throw rocks at it if its already so un-liked?

They weren't "considered average" when they came out either. Thats another delusional (and pathetic) "wish" PT hateboys have. There was little kids screaming and jumping up and down before, during and after the 3 PT movies. I should know I was one of them.

 

Wow dude, calm down.

 

Yes, people on the internet. I wasn't talking about critics. And what I said wasn't about stinging you, or Kasdan. It is pointing out a trend that happens in Hollywood.

A lot of people, i.e., people on the internet, felt that he and Kershner were the true masterminds of why TESB was good and that Lucas was just a hack who got lucky.

 

All the Star Wars films have retro look.

 

What was the world like 30 years after world war 2? Were people still keeping their heads down evading the gestapo driving around in whatever beat-up vehicles they could acquire making do with black market 'goods and services'?

Or was the world pretty much re-built - in some cases to a greater glory than had been the case prior to the complete destruction of some cities? You could equally argue that some of the Republics former glories would have been restored - It's all a load of conjecture anyhow in a fictional realm. If there needs to be closer ties to the end of ROTJ than any prequel film, I expect we will see Ewoks then, they deserve some recognition don't they?

 

Yeah some battle hardened Ewoks in battle wouldn't be a bad idea? Like if Wiket stayed with the rebels with some other Ewoks and learned to use blasters and fly ships. I know that probably wouldn't happen, but it pretty far out there if they did.

 

I have said it before, we are starting to see a shift, online, in how the PT is viewed. You are the perfect example. The kids that fell in love with Star Wars because of the PT are now in their early to mid 20's. They are now in positions where they can articulate their opinions and defend the PT. For years, the very vocal segment of the fandom that felt portrayed by the PT, because it didn't hand them their childhood back with a big Darth Vader bow on it, had the floor.The only reason they had the floor was because they were older, and in the position to control the floor. Now they are finding they have to share that floor more and more with fans like you. As more time passes, as more fans that were kids when they first saw the PT become older, the more that will come forward. We are already seeing it.

 

The Ewoks in The Senate would be awesome.

 

Like me as well (I turn 22 on Wednesday)

 

mikeximus is absolutely correct! If one stops to think about it a lot of the younger directors in Hollywood right now like Abrams, are fans that grew up with the OT and that was an inspiration for them to get into film making. But not too far from now there will be new film makers that were kids during the PT era and that was their inspiration for getting into movies. So in some years, not that many even we will start to see new directors that will be saying how the PT influenced them. This will happen with the ST generation as well. People will have to realize sooner or later that SW is not just the OT alone. But as Mike points out that the generation that were brought up with the PT are getting of age now where they will talk about that trilogy like the people before did with the OT.

 

^^^ One things for sure I'm embarrassed by some of the people around my age telling kids what is good and bad and setting up some scheme whereby the holy trinity shalt be taught as gospel while the new books are hidden - so I'm sure some of the people who grew up on the new films are royally sick of it as well !

 

I am not going to speak for everyone but YES I AM

 

Jedi-Gambino and Darkslayer, go forth and spread the good word...

That's just it, they aren't happy in just finding people that are of like mind, and discussing it amongst each other. They have to try and indoctrinate others to their view. They feel threatened if others don't see it their way, so instead of letting people have their own opinion, they resort to name calling and trying to shame people into not liking the PT.

Very much like what we are seeing in these ST threads, there are a couple that feel threatened that some of us are expressing our opinions that we aren't liking what we see with TFA, for whatever reason, they feel threatened by that. So instead of just giving their opinion on the matter and leaving it at, they chose to lash out, calling names, trying to shame people into thinking how they think and how they believe we should be acting, and talking about TFA.

And the funny part is that they tell us that we are like the PT haters... lol

 

Exactly! This is the best post I have seen on here. Since around the time TPM 3D was declared a solid success I really have been feeling the change in fandom too now that Lucas allowed for the ST and sold the idea to his old ally Disney --Disney that Lucas now owns 2 BILLION DOLLARS worth of stock shares in therefore still having a large degree of say over what happens with LFL and SW. And after all those pesky CGI barrel rolls they saw the falcon doing in the trailer I think that a lot of the more hard-core vocal PT haters are starting to .....feel the heat...lets just say, slowly but surly.

I also cannot wait to find out more about Kylo Ren

 

Alot of people say anything & everything on the internet. There's still a flat Earth society website for example. If we're going to quote the opinions of random people online it will be a long build up to this movie!

Just alot of angry nonsense. No offense but a wild rant like that is barely worth responding to. The only message of substance in there is that alot of people liked the PT. Well no kidding

Is WWII the be all & end all example that should be applied to every situation imaginable? In WWII was the Nazi regime spread all throughout the world? Was it the world government? Did they have semi-independent warlords with their own "nations" throughout this world who had their own legions of forces, ships & fighter planes to deal with one by one for years after the war?
Poor analogies are becoming your trademark 77. I'd keep an eye on that

 

It made perfect sense to me...