PT Aftermath of the Yoda/Sidious fight ...

There was no time to search Yoda personally, because Sidious sensed Vader is in danger thus he had to leave. It's basically Kenobi saved Yoda by creating a dangerous situation for Vader.

 

Why should I? This is part of discussion and it is not over at all.
Kenobi failed in any point of view: Vader survived, Anakin died so he unwillingly helped for Vader's creation. This is not victory and he knew even at that point that nothing good happened in Mustafar, you can see his reaction back in the ship. But of course was even worse that he imagined.
No, the clones are trained to be loyal and obedient in the same way that the real world soldiers are trained to be obedient (to the hierarchy) and loyal. The Jedi are defected generals from their point of view, i.e. traitors, after Sidious the Senate rules not them so they wouldn't obey to the Jedi at that point. The chances for Obi Wan and Yoda were few, but if they are separated at least one could succeed (both failed at that point, as I said but still they survived to have some new opportunity).

 

Wait my understanding is that Obi Wan initially thought Vader would burn to death, and only found out much later that he survived and got turned into a cyborg. His reaction on the ship is about killing Anakin/Vader.

Without Sidious leading them, I think the Senate would just be a mess. It might take them a while to even learn about Sidious's death, and when they do, the first thing they have to do is meet up and figure out who will be the next chancellor before they can give any military orders. All Yoda and Obi Wan have to do is barge into the meeting and almost everyone will be scared of them. Any "suggestions" that Yoda makes will be instantly agreed upon. Most of the senators would be a lot more concerned about their own safety than avenging the death of a past chancellor. Besides, Yoda can also use those Jedi mind tricks.

 

yeah I think Obi-Wan thought that Anakin was dead(hell it was pretty clear that he was going to die) and they left just in time to avoid Palpsatine's shuttle although the Junior Novelization shows this differently so who knows?

 

Yoda could have defeated Palpatine, but the odds were stacked aganist him. His only hope was a quick victory because Palpatine was only getting stronger as the battle went on while Yoda got weaker.

In legends, Palpatine was distracted because he was also force watching the Anakin vs Kenobi battle. When Anakin was defeated, Palpatine could focus all on Yoda.

 

thank goodness this is now 'legends'

for me it's just another example of authors trying to elevate Palpatine to a god like status,

he might as well have been blindfolded and stand on one leg too to give Yoda a little advantage to make the duel 'more interesting' for himself.

No way could he have been in a lightsaber battle with Yoda and not give the duel his 100% attention.

 

That doesn't match up with what we actually see. "I sense Lord Vader is in danger" isn't a case of "Vader has just lost the fight and is now in the lava" - it's a case of "Vader is fighting Kenobi (or about to fight Kenobi".

What Legends source do you think was saying that?

 

In the Senior Novelization Palpatine senses a danger towards Vader when he is talking to him after the Separatists were killed but Vader scoffs- then Yoda informs Palpatine that Obi-Wan is after Anakin and then Palpatine puts two and two together. He isn't monitoring the battle scene to scene though; he just senses a danger towards Vader. And that is before the battle with Yoda begins.

 

Which means that he would become the new emperor luring the others to follow him. It is the Sith way in this case. Let's not forget that for the public opinion the Jedi are still traitors who wanted to take the power. You cannot control the mind of the society if I can say so. If you mean that they can use these tricks to survive, fine, but in this case still the problem of Vader is present. They don't know where he is at that moment and someone (including the clones or even Holonet) could inform him that the emperor is is dead. What a big opportunity to put the beginning of "his new empire".

 

History is written by the winners. Yoda and Obi Wan can look through all the evidence that Sidious showed regarding the Jedi's betrayal and point out flaws, I'm sure they can find some. Remember that the senators are afraid of them, so even mediocre arguments would be good enough. If the entire senate appears to agree that the Jedi are the good guys, most civilians will just go with that. Yoda can "suggest" that Bail Organa become the new chancellor and continue the republic. After things have stabilized, they can gradually loosen their grip on the senate.
As for Vader, it all depends on one thing: Did Sidious specifically tell the clones, "If I get assassinated, obey Lord Vader's commands as if he were me"? Without the clones, Vader poses no threat to Yoda. Vader with the clones is a formidable foe, but still much easier to deal with than Sidious's empire. Vader does not have mastery of the dark side of the force yet, neither does he have Sidious's political genius.

 

If Vader is no threat then Yoda would never send Obi Wan to find him. Obviously he is. To say it again: to convince the others that someone who just kill th legal head of state that they are the good guys after they are proven to aspire the power just before it is highly improbable. What happened to Cassius and Brutus after they killed the tyrant Caesar? No matter that the other senators were convinced that he is indeed a tyrant they didn't end exactly as heroes. Or and Caesar's heir (his nephew) in the end took the power and become Augustus Caesar who fortified the Empire while the others thought he is too weak. Is not the only example of such series of events, all the opposite, but as the Chancellor is based heavily on these historical figures is the most appropriate.

 

Vader as Sidious's assistant in running the empire is a great foe, but Vader alone poses minimal to no threat to Yoda.

I'm not an expert in history, most of what I know about Caesar's assassination is from the Shakespeare play. My understanding is that Marc Antony was a politician, highly skilled in the art of persuasion. That's why he was able to turn the tide. I don't think Vader is capable of that.

 

Vader isn’t. He’s good with a blade, but he lacks the finesse to run an empire.

 

I actually agree with you both that Vader is not skilled politician: this is obvious. But here the problem is the lust for power as it is possesed by every SIth. No matter that Vader is capable or not he had some big plans. So no matter that theoretically his governance could be unsuccesfull it still could be long enough to destroy the rests of the Jedi and to find a heir to the Sith.
What Yoda considers as danger is that: if they (with Obi Wan) are separated, they would have the chance to destroy at least one of the Sith. Although I think it was late even for that as it happened in the end of ROTS: in that moment every move is wrong (I mean is too late). the figures on the chess boards are already in motion.

 

What if Padme still died in childbirth after Vader killed Obi-Wan? Could C-3PE0 and R2D2 fly the Naboo cruiser themselves and make contact with Bail Organa or another ally?

 

I'm sure there's plenty of people out there who would like to rule the galaxy, but if they're not capable of it then it's not really an issue. With Sidious dead and Yoda around, Vader wouldn't even try. He has no people, no money, and no mastery of the force. Trying to go against Yoda would be suicide.

I think Yoda and Obi Wan's best chance at the time was to team up against Sidious to increase the probability of beating him. Killing Vader without killing Sidious doesn't solve the problem.
In hindsight, it looks like what they did was the right choice: Yoda + Obi Wan is still weaker than Sidious anyways (based on my personal interpretation of the Yoda/Sidious duel), and by defeating Anakin, Obi Wan was able to take away his kids. But at the time they made the decision, they weren't sure of Sidious's power yet, and they did not know about Padme's pregnancy. So their decision doesn't really make a lot of sense to me. It seems more like a plot requirement, to explain Vader getting turned into a cyborg, how Vader's kids got hidden from him, and how his lightsaber got into Obi Wan's possession.

 

You mean Vader and Obi Wan killing each other simultaneously? R2 would probably drag the still unconscious Padme onto the ship and tell 3PO to fly the ship to Naboo, where they can find someone whom R2 trusts to help Padme.
If Vader is alive and well, then he would take over what to do with Padme and the babies. R2 might resist but I don't think he can beat Vader in a fight... unless he does something sneaky.

 

No Vader killing Obi-Wan. I think if Vader accomplished that there was still a chance R2 might get away before Vader was able to get back to Padme. How far away was the lava bank and the landing dock anyway?

R2 could steal his lightsaber or just stun him lol.

 

Easy. Palpatine is the Dark Lord of the Sith. One doesn’t get there by being ‘basically competent’. Yoda’s no dummy — he knows that if he managed to get Anakin (who is arguably one of the strongest Jedi out there) under his heel, then he must be even stronger than Anakin. He managed to outwit the Jedi and execute a vast majority of them within hours, which suggests he’s cunning and crafty.

Obi-Wan would’ve been slaughtered. Having him face his former apprentice was a much easier and wiser approach.

 

In the actual movie, R2 waited for Obi Wan to come back. So if Vader defeats Obi Wan, R2 wouldn't know immediately and would keep waiting until he sees Vader coming. If R2 then tells 3PO to fly the ship away, Vader will yell at him not to and run back as fast as he can. 3PO will be confused and not know what to do, and while he's hesitating Vader would arrive there.
I believe force users are depicted as much more powerful fighters than any droid can be. Vader can deflect the stun attacks with his lightsaber. R2 can try to steal his lightsaber, but it won't be easy. Under that emotional state (recently turned to the dark side, Padme still unconscious, just killed Obi Wan), Vader most likely won't be sleeping on their way back to Coruscant. Well, hmm... actually it's not impossible. Vader should be quite exhausted by then. So yeah, if Vader falls asleep then R2 would have an opportunity to make some kind of surprise attack, and I'm not sure how that would turn out.

 

I still think Yoda + Obi Wan together have a higher chance of defeating Sidious than Yoda alone. Yoda can be the main fighter, while Obi Wan keeps at a distance with a long range weapon and looks for opportunities to assist Yoda.

 

I think it's pretty clear that Yoda was leaping from the Chancellor's Podium as we see it in the shot of him leaping to the pods and that was where they were fighting before the cut to Anakin vs. Obi-Wan.

You're right about Yoda not gaining the high ground when he had the opportunity but the issue was that he needed to get to Sidious at close quarters which makes Sidious a lot more vulnerable- If Yoda hopped into one of the pods and rose up to Palpatine's level or got above him and started throwing pods at him Palpatine would have merely had the opportunity to drag things out further or to try to escape again which makes it harder for Yoda. Yoda threw the pod at him because he wanted to give him a taste of his own medicine and obviously to see if it would hit him lol. When it didn't he went to attack Palpatine at a closer distance again in order to prevent Palpatine from getting away from him again.

Palpatine definitely wanted the high ground with the pod fight though- it didn't matter exactly how high up he was as long as he was above Yoda and at a good distance away which he made sure of given he kept on moving his own pod away from Yoda as Yoda tries to advance up to his level. He is laughing because of how brilliantly simplistic the attack is- Yoda is extremely small and as long as Palpatine keeps the assault going there is little chance(at least in his mind) that Yoda will be able to get to his level without being hit by a pod which the action of dodging them exhausts him anyway. And yes Palpatine was throwing the pods downwards at Yoda which made his job way easier. Yoda on the other hand has to throw it upwards. Even with the Force there are still degrees of difficulty that are affected by normal factors such as gravity. Still there is no indication that Yoda would not be able to throw multiple pods down at Sidious- we've seen him perform incredible feats in telekinesis(the Battle Of Coruscant, lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp, him battling the droid army and Ventress on Rugosa). Yoda would have been able to easily match Palpatine's ability to throw the pods from if that was the strategy that he decided to utilize which he didn't. Doesn't mean he can't do it though.

 

Sidious would kill Obi-Wan with the Force, Obi-Wan would be nothing but a hindrance to Yoda. Even Dooku managed to remove Kenobi from the fight when he was dealing with Anakin, Sidious is like 10 times more powerful than Dooku.

 

Yep have to agree there- Obi-Wan would stand no chance of killing Palpatine and would distract Yoda from his primary goal.

 

We've another example, not only one.

Mace brought 3 Jedi Masters, and all of them died and they didn't make any difference, even Kit Fisto who was skilled enough to deal with General Grievous in the Clone Wars. Then Mace defeated Sidious by himself in a 1 v 1.