Ahsoka Ahsoka Episode 1.04 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

If episode 5 is focused entirely on Anakin and Ahsoka - and I believe it will be - then we may see some severe levels of toxicity emerge. Lotta people still have their Star Wars opinions programmed by Red Letter Media videos from decades ago . . .

But I also agree with Starfish, most criticism isn’t toxic

 

Well I cannot see how this wouldn't classify as time travel. But since it is entirely possible through WBW... I am confused by Ahsoka's appearance in this too.

I didn't mean criticism itself would be toxic but all this "you're hater" stuff is getting bitter very soon. When instead of talking about the show we start to talk about "certain people" who disagree. I meant how about let them disagree?

 

I'm waiting now to see if Corridor Crew "fix" this episode by doing a superior Anakin de-aging job than LFL did.

 

For the record, I’ve never really understood the frustration some have when a show title maybe could have been more appropriately named. Like, I suppose Andor would have been more aptly named “The Rebel Alliance” or something along those lines since it’s multi-protagonist and I suppose “Dawson’s Creek” could have more appropriately been named “Capeside” since that show was about more than only Dawson, and I suppose “Grey’s Anatomy” could have been more appropriately named “Seattle Grace Hospital” since that show was about more than just her or her mom. But ultimately the argument for these kinds of topics feel like they really boil down more around how the names of said shows could have been better by focusing the show titles around a different noun that better connects the main characters together and less about any one specific character because ultimately that seems to be what the crux of the argument is about.

If you’re asking me if Ahsoka could have been better named as a series I’d agree because I think many TV and film titles could be better. Including Andor and Ahsoka. If you’re asking me if I think it’s bad writing to give screen time to many characters in a show called Ahsoka and have the show explore her and her allies trying to accomplish something I’d have to disagree and say that your big issue just seems to be the naming.

 

I didn't mean criticism itself would be toxic but all this "you're hater" stuff is getting bitter very soon.

That reminds me. Sometimes unlucky decisions made by translators can make this problem worse. British police drama New Tricks was shown in Finland named "Ryhmä Pullman" meaning Pullman's group. But eventually character of Sandra Pullman left the show and every single member of her group changed so we were shown Pullman's group without Pullman or her group LOL

Not that this has to do with anything...

At least Ahsoka has been in every episode unlike Boba Fett in his book...

 

IIRC, Blake's 7 went on for 3 more seasons after Blake left the show in season 1.

Yeah, well, you heard wrong.

 

Right. Everyone at those showings will be people who have already been watching the show on Disney+.

 

No disrespect intended, I did indeed love the episode, I may have sounded a bit esoteric, so I'll spell it out: the main character of this series is: AHSOKA, not Sabine Wren, or Baylon Skoll... I'm referring to the haters that feel as if AHSOKA is puffed up, smug, goody-goody, self-approving, and so forth... if you don't fall within this camp of haters, it is not in reference to you at all...
Baylon Skoll and Sabine Wren are different characters indeed, I agree profoundly; however, the haters seem to gravitate or resonate toward them both, so much so, that they seem to believe that it is their show while glossing over the main character.

 

I think the toxic criticism is amplified, but it doesn’t represent even close to a majority of criticism.

 

I agree profoundly...

 

I think this is their show too since they are part of Ahsoka's story now. Baylan as antagonist and Sabine as Ahsoka's pupil.

 

Ooooof thank the Maker. If it was Andor, I would have waited until the whole season finishes and then watch it during my Christmas vacation on a day when I would have nothing better to do, such as laundry for example.

 

Baylan

 

Pretty sure that nobody thinks that this show called Ahsoka is actually about Baylan or Sabine. They just recognize that there are other characters involved in the story, even though Ahsoka is the main character. Andor had more characters in it than just Cassian Andor.

Also, to someone's earlier point about Sabine's "turn" compared to Anakin's turn in ROTS. Sabine didn't turn. She thinks Ahsoka is dead and she has completely given up all hope. All she can hear in Baylan's words to her is the part about "maybe you can find Ezra if you give me the map". After that, she's basically just their prisoner, but one who isn't resisting because of the Ezra bait. That doesn't mean she's changed teams, turned to the dark side, etc.

 

Unlike how it used to be when TCW first aired.

At least in Andor, Cassian was in just about every scene; the focus was on him and him alone. Yes, of course it had an agenda from the beginning and (like Ahsoka) his personal background wasn't touched all that often; but even so when it was touched it was still more than just dialogue. People were already familiar with him from R1, and this series gave him a more personal story (for me, I'd have preferred Jyn and the Erso's story to be shown in LA form, but I guess the novels are all that we can get from that).

 

Baylan Skoll, of course, I have faltered tremendously, my apologies... RIP RAY.

 

Butterflies butterflies butterflies...

If indeed there is a loop-back here with two different outcomes... each of those differing outcomes would have tremendous butterfly effects on galactic events going forward.

If the loop is happening... I bet it will be revealed that one iteration of these events leads on to the Solo twins, Jaina and Jacen (perhaps named after Jacen Syndulla) and their younger brother Anakin Solo. Luke marries Mara and has a son, Ben Skywalker. Thrawn's campaign goes on for a bit and eventually he is betrayed and killed by his bodyguard. (But it was so artfully done.) The Yuuzhan Vong invade, Anakin Solo falls to the Dark Side and becomes Darth Caedus. Darth Talon and the One Sith and the Imperial Knights all do their thing. Etc...

The other iteration leads on to the First Order, the Knights of Ren, Han and Leia's lone child Ben Solo falls to the Dark Side and takes the name Kylo Ren. He murders his father Han. Luke has a freakout and wrecks his own New Jedi Order, after which he flees into hiding and becomes a hermit. Rey, a girl abandoned as an Orphan on Jakku is revealed to be Darth Sidious' granddaughter. Snoke comes and goes, Palps comes back but is defeated, etc.

Which iteration of the thing leads to which timeline I'm not sure, but if Ahsoka successfully stops Thrawn's return the second time around, then I would guess that's the one that leads on to the ST timeline, while the one where Thrawn does come back leads on to the old EU timeline.

 

I’ll be a hater though and say I would have vastly, vastly preferred them showing Ashoka climbing the side of the cliff and then just having a regular chat with Anakins ghost afterwards than whatever nonsense they are doing with the WBW or whatever. That’s a concept I do really dislike.

 

Did we watch the same show? Many scenes with Luthen and Mothma were good and Andor was on different planet.

 

The show was still about Cassian; where he was and what he's been up to.

 

Cassian got beaten up a lot on that show though, so really everyone should be mad about it when you think about it.

 

And if not, would they call his character a (whatever the term is for the male version for a "Mary Sue")?

 

Don't you see? That was all still directly about Cassian.