Ahsoka Ahsoka Episode 1.07 - Discussion Thread (Spoilers Allowed)

Burning skeletons and all but 3 rebel fighters killed in the Death Star attack.
A lot of Rebels killed in the attack on Hoth
Rebel fighters and capital ships being destroyed at Endor.

There are stakes in those movies because we have more than plot armor heroes on the screen.

 

Somewhere between

"Named protagonists can never die"

and...

"You thought Ned was the main character and was safe, lol, he doesn't even make it to the end of S1 before getting his head chopped off"

...there lies a... not nescesarily happy medium, but a more plausible medium. A potentially more satisfying, in the long run, medium, even if in the moment it is shocking and saddening.

A character we know and love dies, or gets a body part chopped off. Perhaps if they die, let it be a heroic sacrificial death where they save the other protagonists, or save a city or something, throw that in as a sweetener. Or maybe they don't die, but get savagely injured, losing a hand or a leg or something, or getting burned. SW has already had that.

Something to raise the threat level to the characters the audience is invested in, so there isn't a feeling of "nothing can happen to them", but it's also not "he's dead, and he's dead, and she's dead, lol you thought they were safe" like say Game of Thrones was, at least in its early seasons. That, particularly in a SW show, would take it to another kind of ridiculousness.

There is a balance to be found, they must find it.

 

I agree. Some on YouTube have said that, but the GFFA is going to be the norm.

 

Star Wars is not Game of Thrones

 

Well yeah... I mean, that's basically what I said.

 

Also Star Wars is where for most of the time heroes dont die except the old mentors.

 

But Fred, there have to be some consequences in a story for there to be tension and dramatic weight. Without those things, we have nothing.

 

Consequence is they get stranded and unleash an evil into their galaxy maybe two. Noti is like Ewoks and Porgs too cute to kill, Star Whales almost impossible to kill. Main cast is safe.

 

There need to be consequences regularly throughout a story, not just at the very end.

If you don't have consequences throughout, you lose energy (tension) and drama.

 

Depends on what you mean, there's huge and small ones. And Ahsoka tv show has had quite a few

 

And who can forget Wade

 

WE WILL NEVER FORGET WADE!!

 

I couldn’t function for weeks after Wade’s death. Still processing it.

 

There have been 2 death-related fake-outs, both of which took place in the obviously "dangerous" situation of combat. The first one, I thought Sabine had actually been fatally wounded. The second one, Ahsoka just fell off - a TV device so overused I was not worried about her.

But it doesn't just need to be death though. Anakin losing an arm was a consequence. OWK and Yoda going into hiding was a consequence. In fact, Yoda never left hiding. Ezra and Ahsoka vanishing for year was a consequence.

But in Ahsoka, there does not appear to be the dramatic risk of consequences. There isn't any form of set up for that. (I may be wrong, if someone can point it out). The only risk is Thrawn's return, and that's not brilliantly done.

Is risk of consequence a SW thing? I would say yes. ANH had burning relatives, Luke on danger in a cantina, mind prove robots that did "stuff", a planet destroyed, pilots dying, and a trench run that was super tense.

 

I just see Thrawn winning. Those who don't have a conventional view of military success. Thrawn is unconventional - AND has limited resources on Peridea. His goal is not to crush the enemy, it is to get away.

Killing off red shirts, by the way, is a cheap way to raise dramatic tension and it's been done to death ( ).

No. It does not. Live action is not adult or more dramatic, it's just live action.

 

Who's Wade? Oh yeah, that pilot in Obi-Wan. There was a missed opportunity where Hera could have screamed out the name of one of those pilots when the Eye of Sion went into hyperspace. Maybe even both pilots' names. Alas, I feel we lost our "Wade" moment.

 

The ships were mostly background ships.

 

When Thrawn talks about staying one step ahead of Ahsoka, he is of course referring to the bigger picture that includes next week's episode. The season finale will show us the full extent of his plan.
To Thrawn, this week's skirmish was just about buying some time. He really does not care what happens to Ahsoka and her friends as long as he gets away, because he believes they'll be stranded on Peridea. Losing a few soldiers to keep them occupied is acceptable to him. I really don't see the problem here.

 

An odd strategy considering how the Rebel crew caused like 10 year exile for him.

I am really hoping he will have a really badass moment that drive home what a threat he represents to the NR

 

Why do the number of killed make something adult? Unless specifically made for children, SW content is ageless. TCW for example, is there an episode where no one was killed? I'm sure there will be a lot death in the last episode of Ahsoka.

 

Yes...but we saw plenty of troopers on Hoth or fighter pilot cockpits when they got unalived.

 

Maybe this was Baylan's?

 

Rebels was also a children show, and coundt have him defeat the heroes