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Ahsoka has to die sometime, right?

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by JediMasterKendo, Mar 8, 2009.

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  1. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Around two hundred Jedi survive Order 66, out of perhaps seven thousand Jedi that survived the Clone Wars. The Empire kills alot of them in the first few years after Revenge of the Sith - Vader practically kills seven in one fight, for example - and the last surviving Jedi die over the subsequent years, either at the hands of the Inquisitors - alot of Jedi and children of survivors end up among them - and then Starkiller is let loose on the surviving Jedi, taking out several key survivors.

    By the time the actual OT begins, there are only a couple surviving Jedi around, and most of them end up in the EU canon's rebellion, but none of them - bar perhaps Kyle Katarn, who even then we know would be crushed by Vader per his recent encounter with Darth Caedus - were a threat to Vader and the Emperor like Luke was, thus validating the OT's focus on him alone. Several Force sensitives end up working for the Alliance, forming the SpecForce operatives.

    Eventually the majority of them die anyway, with few Order 66 survivors make it through the Empire. A couple of the survivors of Order 66 make it, though, all the way to the Legacy era, set 130 years after the Battle of Yavin.
     
  2. The_Wise_Plo

    The_Wise_Plo Jedi Youngling

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  3. brainwash

    brainwash Jedi Youngling star 1

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    ... from a certain point of view? ;)
     
  4. JediMasterKendo

    JediMasterKendo Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I don't care if some of you people here have daughters that like Ahsoka. She needs to die pretty soon anyway on the show since Extended universe she doesnt show up before Revenge of the Sith.

    I just can'st stand Ahsoka. Basically she was created to make girls who are sci fi dorks to feel happy they have a "role model" or whatever.

    I want to see Palpatine zap her to death
     
  5. AhsokaMiro

    AhsokaMiro Jedi Youngling star 3

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    Not the friendliest post, but moving on, I should clarify that my main point is that regardless of whose kids like Ahsoka and who finds her annoying, I think she's pretty much hardwired into the dramatic and thematic DNA of the show. So, to me, for TCW to drop her practically right out of the gate would be a bit of a pandering reboot, and that always rubs me the wrong way. It indicates shakiness on part of the creative staff... "Ha ha, we were just kidding about the padawan! We'll drop the original setup add some new character named Poochie or Hawk instead, and now it will be set on a cruise ship!" I'd rather see them stick to the original concept rather than flail about looking for some new focus.

    And yeah, that was a reference to season two of Buck Rogers. Sorry about that.

     
  6. LordHibbidyhai

    LordHibbidyhai Jedi Youngling star 1

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    The canon argument seems silly to me. Star Wars has some clearly define canon levels. That leads me to wonder where the Clone Wars is on the canon scale. And if you think about EU characters that get mentioned in the movies (Quinlan Vos) it just gets murky. I consider it all canon so I just see the movies as a focus on one part of the story.
    I suppose Ahsoka could survive Order 66, and maybe show up as a character in the live action. That would help explain why nobody seems to be grieving much during the Revenge. But having her killed off would make for a more dramatic and lively story, if you ask me.
     
  7. Mr-Fett

    Mr-Fett Jedi Youngling star 1

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    Just throwing it out there that if she were to have a "fall from grace" she could end up as one of Palpatine's Black Hands like Mara Jade. These figures were often never heard of in the outside world and often didn't even know that others like themselves existed.
     
  8. Ulic QelDroma

    Ulic QelDroma Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I don't see Ashoka being killed off in the Clone Wars. However, I do see her being separated from Anakin in some way.

    Perhaps the Council removes her from Anakin's instruction and she becomes some other Jedi's Padawan. That would solve the problem nicely and reinforce Anakins rift with Mace and the Jedi council. Then she could have whatever fate you want her to have in the EU.

    Personally, I would have loved to see her face off against Starkiller instead of Shaak Ti. Anakin's two apprentices in a duel to the death! You have to admit, it does have some poetry to it.
     
  9. SithLord_1270

    SithLord_1270 Jedi Knight star 3

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    She could survive Order 66 & think Anakin died. She finds out that Vader was responsible for the slaughter of the Jedi & confonts him. And is tragically killed, only in her final moments Vader reveals his true identity to her. Like the confrontation with Roan Shrine. the tragic irony!

    I'll just say this for surviving Jedi: Yoda & Ben may not have had any idea of other survivors. Especially if those survivors did what OB1 & Yoda did which was go to ground & not advertise you were a Jedi. When you hide, you don't advertise.

    On Topic, I think Something tragic is going to happen to ashoka. Not neccesarily death, but something bad enough to push Anakin closer to the edge.

    Hmmm....but WHAT IF Ashoka turns to the darkside & Anakin has to take her out?
     
  10. LordHibbidyhai

    LordHibbidyhai Jedi Youngling star 1

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    I like the idea of her facing Starkiller and having Anakin's apprentices face off. Unfortunately they'd then have to figure out what happens to Shaak Ti again. And it would be the second that character has avoided death.

    Someone else suggested she become one of Palpatine's secret hands. Not a bad idea either. If that were to happen, a could see a situation where Palpatine finds out about Starkiller and tasks Ahsoka with taking him out. Then we can still have both of Vader's apprentices fight. By the way, I haven't played Force Unleashed or read the comic, so I do know what happens with that, other than just the characters that appear and such. Don't own any of the newer consoles so...yeah. I will someday though.
     
  11. Darth_Gamek

    Darth_Gamek Jedi Master star 6

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    I really don't think she'll die during Order 66. Maybe she gets killed during the Dark Times/Galactic Civil War, or maybe she joins the NJO (but wait she'll be like 50-something by then).

    Imagine if Darth Vader had to kill her.
     
  12. Only-One Cannoli

    Only-One Cannoli Ex-Mod star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I imagine that every night as I'm about to fall asleep.
     
  13. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    The third, actually...
     
  14. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I think that is a far-stretch for her to be killed after ROTS. In the film, Anakin is suffering and struggling. Also, some of that "pain" could be a direct affect from Ahsoka's fate.

    heh, and Gunray, I bet you have dreams of that as well :)
     
  15. Alexrd

    Alexrd Chosen One star 6

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    I think she won't die. Anakin doesn't seem too upset on ROTS. Besides, Palpatine would have said something about her death in order to help him turning to the Dark Side, which didn't happened. Most probably she will leave the Order or be taken by another Master because Anakin does something that makes him not the right teacher for a Padawan, leading Mace to don't trust him anymore, as we see on ROTS. That's what I think will happen, but of course I can be wrong.
     
  16. JediMasterJessica

    JediMasterJessica Jedi Master star 3

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    To be honest....I'm split on this one. Logic tells me she has to die... I mean theres no other way around it unless Lucasfilm decides to send her away to some odd planet towards the end of the series.

    Then I think about it again... Lucasfilm is probably going to dance around it-at least that's my guess. An eccentric friend of mine swears Lucasfilm is going to pull a Star Trek 2009 on this and end it with Anakin not going to the darkside-an alternate universe. I can't say I believe my friend, but I don't know if I believe Lucasfilm has the guts to do it. They haven't killed off any character that lasted more than 2 episodes. Maybe Rex will die in Season 2 and I'll change my mind. But I don't think Lucasfilm will do it-not when they have built this character up so much. I am honestly surprised by how many little girls I see in the toy isles for Star Wars toys. I'm sure other women can chime in-but it's kinda nice. The Clone Wars has had a fair share of female characters-something that did not happen during the films(especially the OT-I think the only 2 women with speaking parts are Leia and Mon Mothma) In the Clone Wars so far, there is Padme, Ahsoka, Aayla Secura, Luminara Unduli, Asajj Ventress, Riyo Chuchi, Numa, Nala Se, Peppi Bow, the Nubian Queen, and Aurra Sing. And for Season 2-already confirmed are Jocasta Nu, Sugi(a Zabrak), a female clawdite named Cato, a Jedi named Cassie Cryar, and ,how can I forget :D, Obi-Wan's Duchess Sateen. While I don't know if it's intentional by Lucasfilm-it's working and I don't know if Lucasfilm will be able to pull the gun on Ahsoka, especially if they think it might jepordize loosing some of these new, younger fans-girls and boys alike.
     
  17. GGrievous

    GGrievous Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I can't see that happening for many reasons. Why would GL snoop down to that level and ruin Star Wars by forcing an "alternate reality"? Many people suggest that it might happen because of Ahsoka, though, they are going to establish the timeline after the series and none of that AU stuff is going to happen. That's not Star Wars.
     
  18. MaStEr JiMmY PaGe *ZoSo*

    MaStEr JiMmY PaGe *ZoSo* Jedi Youngling star 1

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    After reading the Boba/Ahsoka spontaneous fanfiction that broke out in the leaked concept art thread I hope she is bumped off by Boba [face_beatup] [face_dancing]
     
  19. xx_Anakin_xx

    xx_Anakin_xx Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I see her finishing up her missions with Anakin during the Clone Wars, then being given an 'official Master' because he is 'too attached' as usual and then Ashoka dies on a subsequent mission with her new master or is killed during Order 66 - or survives as a Jedi in hiding and becomes a shoemaker or something. Sweet kid, but that is the fate of the Jedi as we know it (EU aside of course). In reality, if there were Jedi during ANH era, at least some would have joined the rebels I'm thinking, but since that didn't happen...
     
  20. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    See if you can get your friend to bet money on it.

    [face_money_eyes]CHA-CHING!!![face_money_eyes]
     
  21. JediMasterJessica

    JediMasterJessica Jedi Master star 3

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    Don't think I haven't already thought about it. :D This is the same friend who claims Mara Jade is the love child of Obi-Wan Kenobi and Siri Tachi
     
  22. Arawn_Fenn

    Arawn_Fenn Chosen One star 7

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    Star Wars attracts crazy theories like bantha poodoo attracts dune fleas.
     
  23. Barriss_Coffee

    Barriss_Coffee Chosen One star 6

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    It was Admiral Yularen in the bridge with the revolv-- er, blaster. Totally. He's so obviously the one who's going to kill Ahsoka since he has a motive after she killed a squadron of his best men in that one episode. Y'know that scene were she's talking to him in bed? Er, while he's on the bed? And then she leaves? He opens his eyes like some slasher villain right after she's gone! Doesn't say a word, just gets all eery. And he was on the Death Star! He's obviously the killer.

    Obviously.

    See, that theory wasn't crazy in the least. [face_talk_hand]
     
  24. Dawud786

    Dawud786 Chosen One star 5

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    I think this scenario is pretty likely. Anakin keeps heading into increasingly dangerous situations and the Council becomes concerned that it's not only too dangerous for Ahsoka due to some sort of situation and decide they don't want Padawans in the war, especially one's that are younglings basically, and they shift her over to a new Master. For whatever reason, she's still able to have storylines in the show... but the reckless and dangerous situations Anakin puts her into, combined with the hesitancy that the Council has about Anakin, I think it leads to a concern for her safety and the quality of her instruction in the Jedi arts and she gets pulled from Anakin. He's perhaps a little ticked about it at first, raging against the Council for not trusting him but he settles down since she won't be holding him back anymore in battle.

    Then she either dies in Order 66, or escapes and for whatever reason takes the identity of Shaak Ti and it's retconned that TFU's Shaak Ti is actually Ahsoka. That'd be a trip.
     
  25. Ludo_Kressh

    Ludo_Kressh Jedi Knight star 5

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    Hmm, killing her off would be tricky...to me, she'll disappear, such as turning to the Dark Side(which seems unlikely, but as her character progresses throughout the show that may change), getting assigned to another master and becoming just another face at the Temple so to speak or she just up and quits altogether and goes away into the void of obscurity.

    I mean, having her die would bring alot of drama to the series and Anakin in particular, but at the same time, if they do it right before ROTS, that pain will still be fresh and Anakin or somebody close to him would probably bring it up...which has me wondering, if she does die maybe it should be towards the middle of the series; for one, give the fans a chance to get over her death somewhat and move on to other things within the show and two, by ROTS, Anakin may have gotten over it and just simply doesn't mention it anymore. Just my thought on it.
     
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