Ahsoka has to die sometime, right?

Also in the Conference Room, with Rex and Yularen.

 

After reading wookieepedia it seems that Anakin does not gain full command over the 501st until Operation Knightfall. In TCW he takes personal command of a part of the 501st in the form of Torrent Company (a Company is led by a Captain), but he does not command the entire Legion. Whereas the other Jedi like Obi-Wan are in command of battalions (led by Commanders).

So, the way I understand it (after having just read this) Torrent Company was transferred from Appo's command to Anakin's hence Captain Rex is the highest ranking clone under Anakin. Then when Vader takes control of the 501st, Torrent Company is rejoined with the rest of the Legion. If this is the case then yes, I'm wrong and Appo and Rex could both still be alive by the time of ROTS.

But then that just creates the desire to see the rest of the 501st make an appearance in TCW.

 

That makes perfect sense.

Now let's try to steer this back on topic...

 

I don't want to keep this away from the topic, but where is the rest of the 501st then?

Also, Torrent Company was nearly depleted in the events of The Clone Wars Film. I don't believe a "Company" is a large enough group to make up a Jedi's entire Clone Battalion. I always thought a Company was just a large squad, group, or attack force.

We may need a thread for the 501st.

 

If it's the same as the real world, then a battalion will be made up of several companies. So, yeah, Anakin has more clones under his command, but they probably felt they didn't need more than Torrent to do the Teth operation. Though I have to think that it wasn't the entire company that went with them. Didn't seem like there were enough clones.

 

Way far off topic.

Anyway, I'm still saying she will turn to the dark side and someone has to end her life.

 

Anakin would probably be the obvious choice there. Though I don't think they'd be that mean to poor Ahsoka.

 

The only way Anakin is going to be responsible for Ahsoka's death is if he leaves her to rescue Padme or something.

There is guaranteed absolutely 100% no way he would kill her unless she turned to the Dark Side.

Anakin killed off Dooku, but only at Palpatine's urging and with some justification.

 

Even if she did turn to the Dark Side I don't see him killing her or even considering it. Anakin knows it's not the right thing to do when facing Dooku, and Anakin has no fondness for Dooku. Trying to picture him killing Ahsoka who he treats like a younger sister just doesn't work IMO.

 

He doesn't seem too heartbroken in ROTS.

 

I'd quite her to be killed by Grievous, maybe ambushed on a mission alone and killed quickly so no-one knows who actually finished her off, as a sabre could be dooku or assaj or another dark jedi. Or he could just shoot her like he did to Nahdar, I just think as the top jedi killer he should be able to finish her off. Or maybe her ship is destroyed by Grievous' fleet, though I'd prefer him to run her through/shoot her

 

Exactly. He seems pretty happy. That is what leads me to believe that she isn't going to die.

 

This is Hayden we're talking about. He doesn't exactly have readable expressions.

 

I know.

But it is a bit obvious that when he says: "This is when the fun begins.", he is happy. (Right at the beginning of the movie.

 

Happy and apparently quoting his former padawan...

You know by then that she had left a lasting impression on his personality. Especially compared to how we left him in Attack of the Clones.

But, the fact that there is no mention of her, not in ROTS, nor A New Hope or even in post ROTJ that something must've happened to her. Something that can only lead one to believe tragic, because otherwise, she would be hailed as much as Anakin, Obi Wan or any other Jedi Master.

Even Windu is mentioned as a legend post RoTJ.

 

Maybe she didn't amount to anything and lived on. Tsui Choi didn't get much of a reputation and he nearly took Vader's head off!

 

Well, there's a difference between some Jedi who nearly took Vader's head off, as many Jedi have I'm sure, and his former padawan, a character who was glued to his side during the Republic's most dire years.

Just as Obi Wan was known for being his Master, she should be known for being his student.

The galaxy doesn't just swallow people like her up. At some point people are gonna ask the question as we have for over a year now...what happened to her?

You get the sense as you watch Revenge of the Sith that people preferred not to ask. That maybe, her story was probably best forgotten and tucked away. The only question then left to ask, is why?

 

Well, if Ahsoka survives then you just know that she's going to crop up as an adult in the post-ROTJ EU somewhere. I mean don't read the EU but someone just said that Mace in it post-ROTJ which seems out of place. Why would Luke, Han, Leia, or any of the other main characters in the OT know about him? And even Obi-Wan's ghost need not bring him up.

I wouldn't be surprised if Qui-Gon starts contacting Luke or something, or if Jar Jar crops up and pals around with Luke. Important characters tend to be brought up unnecessarily again and again, they never seem to be able to just play their part and then fade away when they're not needed.

Ahsoka can die in TCW, but I think it would have to be done very very carefully by Filoni and Lucas so as not to make story so disjointed. Like IMO her falling to the dark side and being killed by Anakin would be out of the question, Dooku or Grievous killing her would just be odd since nothing about her is brought up by either one when Anakin confronts them. Also, if the series runs directly into ROTS like the other CW cartoon did, then I'd think she'd have to die sooner rather than later (if she dies days before ROTS it would look completely out of place).

Her whole purpose is to train Anakin to learn to give up attachments, and Filoni said that when Anakin finally learns to let go he will become a master. So, on one hand I could see her dying (maybe in season 4 or early season 5), such that Anakin has time to get over it and learn to let the pain of her death go by ROTS, and it would be consistent with Anakin feeling that he deserves the rank of master.

However, on the other hand the whole purpose of Ahsoka's character is undermined if Anakin successfully learns to let her go after 5 seasons only to have the memory of Shmi's death, and visions of Padme's death causing Anakin to derail in the first half of ROTS.

 

My theory, is that she is taken away of Anakin (by his or her fault) and becomes Plo Koon's padawan, because of their relationship. But as you said, whatever happens to her, it must happen sooner in the series, so that is explainable the lack of mention in RotS.

 

Mace was referred to in one of the more recent novels by Jacen and Jaina Solo, but only referred to for his Force abilities.


But back to the point, you see, I did think that before about Ahsoka, regarding her being killed and Anakin recovering and then thinking that he deserved the rank of Master for letting go of her fate.

And I suppose, it does remain to be the most plausible turn of events.

But let's say she does get killed, you do realize what then that would mean, right?

Killing someone like Ahsoka would leave an impact not just on Anakin, but on everyone around him and probably on the perspective of the entire galaxy. Everyone's eyes are on Anakin, so Ahsoka would most certainly have some palce in the hearts and minds of the Republic.

Her death would have a huge demoralizing effect on people, there's no doubt about that.

If she doesn't die and lives, then...where was she when Order 66 happened? And if she survived that, then where did she go?


You see, my point is, it's easy to answer a question like the title of this thread, but to fill the other gaps that come with it leads one to realize that these gaps are very big and can only be filled with a bigger story. Ahsoka has a bigger story than we first assumed.

 

Well on the The Old Republic forums someone mentioned (and I don't know if it's true or not) that season 2 of this show pretty much retcons a lot of Karen Traviss' novels (**EDIT: I didn't realize this was on the main page**). Ahsoka's presence in TCW in itself retcons a lot of stories that take place during AOTC and ROTS. Just because nobody mentions Ahsoka in the EU post-ROTJ... yet... doesn't mean she will never be mentioned. She's a relatively new character and the EU has to change to adapt to her presence in continuity. And her fate is unknown (and it might not even be decided upon yet) meaning that EU writers really can't use her in post-ROTJ EU since the fans first have to wait and see whether she even survives or not.

I wouldn't put too much emphasis on her place in the story related to the EU (because existing EU can always be retconned, and new EU can always be written). Rather, the thing that is most important is how TCW fits in with the movies, since those are not going to be retconned. In the films, regardless of whether she lives or dies, there's no real reason for her to be mentioned in the OT since Obi-Wan was keeping Luke in the dark about Anakin's past, I don't think he'd want to mention Ahsoka (even if she was alive and well). The only real hurdle in my opinion is whether or not Ahsoka living or dying conflicts with ROTS.

 

I think Anakin and Ashoka will have a falling out, and she will leave the Jedi Order. I can't see her getting killed.

 

I still think the 'cleanest' way to (eventually) get rid of her, would be by heroic sacrifice. My guess is she'll come close to the dark side and then make up for it by doing something like that. That way there'll be a bit of closure for Anakin (He's not responsible for her death, she chose it, and it served a good cause), and it would explain why he isn't frustrated about it in RotS, and why he doesn't mention her to Dooku/Grievous. If Ahsoka's death was 'the right thing to do' I could see how he would be able to live with that. But of course it'll still strengthen his resolve to never again lose someone.

 

You know, she doesn't have to be mentioned in ROTS. There was a lot going on and whatever Ahsoka could be doing (if still alive), it probably just didn't matter at the time.

Lets not forget that Filoni doesn't plan on revealing Grievous's face so it is likely some character deaths don't need to be known. Or at least not for while. Ever notice how Khruk(may have spelled it wrong) and R2 are still alive?!