A/V AHSOKA Lit Thread - All Spoilers Under TAGs!

Aside from him not doing that, Bloodline's light implication that not much happened for almost thirty years wasn't a good idea to begin with. There's no reason to avoid telling impactful, wide-scope stories just because of one misjudged line from a book.

 

When Bloodline was written they probably didnt think far ahead they make another conflict

 

Oh yes, on the one hand I agree, everyone around Thrawn -- even those on board his ship, particularly in the new novels -- don't always know what's going on. But my argument is it's like Sherlock Holmes (which I think anyone writing Thrawn should read). To capture a villain or solve a case, Holmes often behaves batty as hell. He's even almost taken to an insane asylum and jail house a few times because he goes too far. But by the end of the case when all is revealed, his reasoning seems completely logical. Thrawn is more or less the same. He's best when he a Watson-type character trying (and generally failing) to follow his antics.

I am not convinced Filoni and the Disney writers get this yet. They understand the reputation of Thrawn as a revered villain, but he's done nothing particularly ingenious yet. If the chaos has a purpose, I'll be impressed.

 

It looks like you're finally getting Thrawn versus Ackbar - wasn't that on a wishlist you made like a decade ago? I thought of you when I heard this news.

 

Can anyone find the quote where Dave filoni hints that Luke, Han, and Leia are being built up to?

 

He dosent refer them directly but hints at them when talking timeline and big idea

 

I mean, he’s said they’re putting Pellaeon in Season 2 of Ahsoka to do that original dynamic, Holmes is getting his Watson. He didn’t include him in Mando 3 or Tales of the Empire as a wink, it’s to set up Thrawn’s sidekick in this big story.

But also…I’d argue there was a touch of that with Morgan. She questioned him across those three episodes and he would explain parts of his plan “we’re not sending out more troops because we have limited numbers”, “it doesn’t matter if we don’t kill them, we’re just trying to buy ourselves time to leave” etc …

To me the problem with Thrawn in Season 1 wasn’t that he was grossly mischaracterised or anything, it’s that the scale of his story was incredibly small (he just wants to load up his ship and leave) and that Filoni gave his characters a ridiculous amount of plot armour. Like the three of them riding into his fortress completely unscathed as the Chimaera rained down turbolaser fire. That was absolute BS, but it wasn’t a failing of Thrawn’s logic.

 

It's what drove me crazy when that first wave of new canon novels came out and tried to establish what happened for 30 years. Every book since has had to work its way around this notion that the NR had a period of peace and de-militarized. Why?! Why paint yourself into such a creatively boring corner..

I think Last Shot was perhaps the worst for this.

This was the same issue in Rebels, Filoni gives characters too much plot armour to make Thrawn plausibly threatening. He should have done what Zahn did and have Thrawn encountering random nameless enemies he can take apart and destroy to show his ability.

 

So, I hate to be *that* guy and quibble about these things.

But.

If we want to be charitable, we could always say that the 30 years of peace as described in Bloodlines means there was no galaxy spanning war with battles from the Core to the Rim on par with the Clone Wars or the Galactic Civil War.

Now, I know that Filoni said there would be some heavy fighting in Ahsoka Season 2 with lots of battles, but who's to say this Canon Thrawn campaign won't be more akin to a regional brushfire or a terrorist attack as opposed to a full scale war? Something like the Nihil Campaign from the High Republic. A police action. That way we can have our cake and eat it too.

 

Yeah people say "the 90s were peaceful", but well;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Congo_War (250,000 dead)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars (In Europe no less)

I could go on, but it might be that the wars in NR are more regional, like in the Bantem era.

 

I don’t expect he’s going to kill off named characters in Season 2, but the concept art trailer did show a quick glimpse of:

Spoiler

A Mon Cal Cruiser in flames with the Chimaera hovering over it.

So I imagine he’s probably going to show off against a few NR forces.

 

Would be funny if the MC90 finally makes it into canon, for the sole purpose of becoming Thrawn fodder.

 

Do people say that? There was also the Gulf War..

I remember saying it at the time (so there's really no excuse of 'Well they didn't think they'd have to fill in the 30 years when they made the statement') that painting yourself creatively into a corner for the sake of a throwaway line is so frustrating and Star Wars continues to do it. Like Sio Bible's "There hasn't been a full scale war since the formation of the Republic" which has had to be bent and twisted. I don't know why creatives do that to themselves?

 

Yes people do, people tend to forget about the Gulf War, maybe because it was so one sided and so few Allied casualties (I find it really interesting honestly)

Short term thinking I guess. I was so glade that Palpatine said "this Republic which as stood for 1000 years" made things so much easier. But also there hasn't been a full scale war since ww2 until 2022 (for a great power), depends how one defines "full scale".

 

To the credit of the High Republic writers, they do mention that there are other things going on. The Nihil are a problem, but they are one of many. For most of the rest of the galaxy life goes on, mostly unaffected. They are a regional issue as opposed to a galactic issue. And with things like the Mandalorian Excision or the Yinchorri Uprising or the Stark-Hyperspace War, 95% or more of the galactic population isn't directly effected. The repercussions of those conflicts have an indirect impact, but a moisture farmer on Tatooine or a stock trader on Muunilinst isn't going to take too much worry about Huk Wars.

The same cannot be said of something like the Clone Wars or the Galactic Civil War.

 

Interesting! Any details on what type of cruiser?

--Adm. Nick

 

It was only a quick shot, but my impression was a Defender-Class.

 

Yeah, it being a Defender-class makes good sense. That definitely seems to be forming the core of the NRDF's post-war navy.

--Adm. Nick

 

The important Q:

How much trauma is going be inflicted on Nick by the Chimaera blowing the crap out of a Mon Cal ship?