Anakin Skywalker was meant to be potentially the strongest being of all time in the Force?

What I think he means by saying he would become what Anakin did not, was that Luke becomes a jedi dedicated to the light side of the force. Because he isnt the chosen one like Anakin, and he wasnt concieved by midi chlorians, which gives Anakin the base for his enormous power in the force beyond anyone else. "Anakin is aruably the most powerful jedi ever,and he is still getting stronger"-Mace Windu

But yes we are going to have to agree to disagree.

 

It seems SithKhaos does not 100% understand the levels of canon. Isn't there an a link somewhere that covers all of this for him?

 

thats just another interpretation of the same GL quote, so its really just an opinion like my view was

and Mace Windu didnt know Luke so that really doesnt mean anything

there are no facts to answer this question



I'd say this topic has been exhausted enough for one day
we can all agree that Anakin wasted a great deal of potential
whether it was the most ever or not, is up to interpretation

 

It seems SithKhaos does not 100% understand the levels of canon. Isn't there an a link somewhere that covers all of this for him?

I have given plenty of canon evidence from the horses mouth to back my opinion up.

But yes it is how you interpret that quote since he didnt directly say that Luke had or didnt have the same potential.

 

Neither was Anakin, so it doesn't matter.

GL did say Luke had the same potential as his father on the ESB commentary.

 

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Luke wasnt concieved from the force... period. makes perfect sense.
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Neither was Anakin, so it doesn't matter.


Wow someone is behind in the times...

Darth Plageius created Anakin through use of the force. Anakin is a vessel of pure force energy. Didnt know some people still didnt know that. No George Lucas simply stated that Luke became what his father could have become.. which is a jedi of the light side the way Anakin was supposed to. Nothing refers to power or potential.

And Luke would never achieve that potential because he had to start the NJO from scratch, all important holocrons and teachings from the prequel (golden age) jedi were destroyed.

 

Plagueis used the force to manipulate the midis to create life. That is not a vessel of pure force energy.

Anakin could become twice as powerful as Palpatine......Luke could become what Anakin could've been.

Reasoning.

 

Anakin was supposed to be a jedi knight serving the light side of the force.

Luke could have become what Anakin was supposed to.

Reasoning. GL didnt mention Anakin's potential in the force before saying that...

 

Anakin, along with Luke and Leia would have been the strongest force users of all-time.

 

SithKhaos : Anakin was supposed to be a jedi knight serving the light side of the force. Luke could have become what Anakin was supposed to.

Reasoning. GL didnt mention Anakin's potential in the force before saying that...

Actually, it's possible that Lucas DID mention potential in the Force before he said that. I could only find that one sentence about Luke becoming what Anakin was supposed to, but there was more to the interview.

AND, if we're hypothesizing what Lucas could have meant by his words, it would also fit that Luke could become the Chosen one of the Force that Anakin was supposed to be, right?
So, if your interpretation could be correct, so could anyone else's, right?

Plus, you also seem to be ignoring the quote from Vanity Fair that I posted above. I'll repost it here:

"Anakin, as Skywalker, as a human being, was going to be extremely powerful," he(Lucas) says. "But he ended up losing his arms and a leg and became partly a robot. So a lot of his ability to use the Force, a lot of his powers, are curbed at this point, because as a living form, there's not that much of him left. So his ability to be twice as good as the Emperor disappeared, and now he's maybe 20 percent less than the Emperor. So that isn't what the Emperor had in mind. He(the Emperor) wanted this really super guy, but that got derailed by Obi-Wan. So he (the Emperor) finds that, with Luke, he can get a more primo version if he can turn Luke to the Dark Side."

This seems to me to say that Luke indeed could be what his father no longer could be. It explains the Emperor's interest in Luke, why he considered him to be a "prize", as Vader called him. Vader lost much of his potential in that fight with Obi-wan, but Luke didn't. The Emperor wants a "really super guy", and Luke had the potential to be that "really super guy". With Luke, the Emperor would get the more "primo" version of Anakin, the full potential that Anakin lost.

 

Well, technically, Anakin lost an arm, then he lost the other arm and both legs, but still?

Yeah, Luke was basically a Vader upgrade. This one with a 95% organic anatomy. The only downside to the plan is that without the suit, Palpy wouldn't be able to control his apprentice. And we know what that means: Basically Dark!Luke would learn what he needed to about the dark side, kill Palpy and make it look like an accident, natural causes, or Rebel terrorists, and proclaim himself Emperor "for the duration of the emergency". I personally Luke would be a better Emperor than Palpatine, simply because he still has some ideals. I also think Luke would be even more of a tyrant than Palpatine, simply because he still has some ideals. Your focus determines your reality.

 

Luke was NOT the chosen one and that is fact.

Primo version does not in any way mean that he has the potential of Anakin, and I have yet to see a direct quote or mention of Luke having the same potential as Anakin.

Again, Anakin was concieved from the force. No egg, no sperm, just force energy. Which yes makes anakin made from the force. It makes perfect sense that George Lucas states that Anakin "was potentially the most powerful force user EVER because he has so much to draw from.

Anakin was the most powerful jedi during the golden age of the jedi. The New Jedi Order was not labeled the golden age so I have a hard time believing that Luke came anywhere near some of the jedi during that time. Again, Luke started from scratch, all links to the powerful skills and abilities the golden age jedi had were lost.

Here is the quote you are looking for and like i said has nothing to do with force potential:

In the audio comentary of ESB Lucas says that Vader no longer has the power to defeat the Emperor, but Luke has it; Lucas also said in a magazine that "Anakin wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that."

This is of course the power to defeat the Sith, which Anakin/Vader destroys anyway because he is the chosen one. It doesnt take a fully realized potential to defeat the emperor.

George Lucas simply mentions this as the savior of the jedi. Because Anakin obviously didnt need his full potential (200 percent of the emperor) to defeat him...

 

Your point? Anakin destroyed the Sith.

Doesn't mean Luke wasn't just as strong, just that Luke didn't destroy the Sith.

Of course, if we go into the EU, Anakin destroyed the Sith? When did that happen? He didn't even permanently kill Palpatine. (Which is further proof that Force-sensitivity and destroying the Sith are unrelated, considering Han shot last*.)

*Pun intended.

 

i have also yet to see a direct quote saying Luke does not have the same potential as Anakin

meaning.........it is all opinion until GL says something about it

can we ever move on?

again, this is talking about Force skill

force skill and force potential are 2 completely different things

of course?
since when are only your interpretations of a quote now a FACT?


seriously
we need to move on

 

You can quote this all you want..."Obiwan is the badass that turned Vader into fried chicken, AND later he even looked after the one who was to become the MOST powerful EVER...Luke Skywalker!!" There quote that.

 

Wow, Anakin's a Fosh?

 

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/the_cult_of_darth_vader/page/2

Lucas himself states here that Luke has Anakin's potential.

 

DeakSkywalker : George Lucas posted:
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when [Anakin] finds out Luke is his son, his first impulse is to figure out a way of getting him to join him to kill the Emperor. That's what Siths do! He tries it with anybody he thinks might be more powerful, which is what the Emperor was looking for in the first place: somebody who would be more powerful than he was and could help him rule the universe. But Obi-Wan screwed that up by cutting off his arms and legs and burning him up. From then on, he wasn't as strong as the Emperor -- he was like Darth Maul or Count Dooku. He wasn't what he was supposed to become. But the son could become that.

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Lucas himself states here that Luke has Anakin's potential.

Thank you, DeakSkywalker!!! Hopefully this quote will end this debate.

 

Luke never got married and the Emperor never got cloned. -- George Lucas

 

Out of context.

 

You can't play that card though - that is George referencing material that is not his story, and he will be the first to say that. CoW, however, is showing his insights on material that is Lucas's story - and therefore carries a lot of weight, imo.

 

Poppycock. Lucas plainly states in the referenced interview that the EU isn't real to him and that, whilst it tries to keep consistant to his vision, it's someone else's baby -- going on to give voice to the quotation I provided above.

As such, we have irrefutable proof that, contrary to popular belief, not everything George Lucas says is automatically entered into the holocron.

That said, I think it's safe to assume that anything Lucas says that doesn't contradict years and years of the Expanded Universe probably does. It remains an assumption, however.

For what it's worth, it's the "the son could become that" quote that has been taken out of context (as always).

The 'that' Lucas is referring to in Luke's case, and the 'what he was supposed to become' he is referring to in Anakin's is "stronger than the Emperor" -- not "Anakin's maximum potential".

So, no, I really AM afraid that the debate is not over.

 

The EU's so not real that he makes references to it regularly in the Special Edition and the prequels.

 

I find your excessive faith disturbing.

 

Lmao, yeah I know. The EU is like a brothel to Lucas, he just picks and choices what he likes.