Andor Andor Season 2 Discussion (Spoliers Allowed)

This is a more adult version of sw so what's appropriate should be judged based on that, not some general notion of a sw that spans every style and genre.

 

This is perhaps showing how the Empire goes full tilt evil. They didn't just wake up one day allowing themselves the right to blow up planets. It came in baby steps.

We saw last season that it was strip mining wolds and leaving many - those on the outside of things - in ruin. But the galaxy could ignore that. Up until now they were acceptably evil. Maybe most in the galaxy, including her - were okay with things because it didn't effect them personally.

But soon, the Empire will dive into outright genocide any time it wants. And lines will be broken. Then it'll start testing the DS. And blowing up planets without cause or concern, just for to cause fear and control. It'll blow up Alderran. And then the rest is history.

 

Watched all 3 episodes earlier and so far I'm not buying into this whole 'It's a masterpiece' thing. It's been decent so far but I got more enjoyment from S1. The idiots in the forrest dragged on for way too long and ultimately didn't really make a lot of sense to me. The tie fighter bumping into everything and anything also made no sense. Usually when a Tie fighter bumps into something it's toast but this thing hardly had a scratch on the paintwork. Plus the CG wasn't too convincing either. The wedding scenes also went on way too long and I found myself thinking 'not again' everytime we went back to the wedding.
We're only 3 episodes in so I still have high hopes this show is going to make me feel the same way I did after S1.

 

I wasn't a fan of season 1 and at this point I'm "hate watching" season 2.

It's as if someone discovered all the most boring parts of life in another galaxy (marital trouble, in-laws, weddings, idiots) and mashed them all together in one unfortunately 12-hour long show.

As a young boy way back in 1983, I would lay awake at night imagining all the riveting excitement of Mon Mothma's domestic life and now finally I'm getting it!

 

I disagree. I thought it was tasteless. Implying it would’ve accomplished the same thing. Imagine if in Revenge of the Sith we actually saw Vader killing younglings. It would’ve been for shock value and nothing else. Just seeing his saber ignited and the scene cutting away right after was far more powerful than actually showing him killing younglings.

 

Well, I would say the wait was worth it

 

Agree to disagree, and pointing out that we did not see an actual rape scene… we saw an attempted rape and a women being able to fight back and kill the rapist imperial.
We saw him die. And she saved herself. She took back the power the imperials had stripped her from since Ferrix. It was empowering. And it was realistic. As a women I am glad and proud they went there. And as a women this scene did not shock me. We are used to these things. We know they happen all the time. In war and in peace. We worry about these things daily. Every time we are walking home alone at night we worry. And we are scared about not being able to fight back, not being able to save ourselves. Seeing Bix being able to fight back and neutralize that fascist imperial scum was therapeutic for me and for many. But that’s OUR interpretation of it and I completely understand it can be different for others and I have nothing against that.
I am just glad Star Wars went there. It is uncomfortable but it is the daily life of millions of women across the globe so it makes sense we see that in our “galaxy far far away” that we all know was always a mirror of somewhere we know really good!

 

I’ve heard a lot of commentary about how of the four main storylines of the first three episode (Cassian, Mothma, Bix and co, Deryl) Cassian’s is the least interesting, and I get that. The people and the events that occur on Yavin are indeed less interesting and less momentous than what’s happening in the other plot lines. But that’s precisely the point, and part of the brilliance of the script, IMO. It would feel a bit much, and a little unrealistic, for everything that everyone is experiencing at this moment in time to be hugely intriguing and consequential. Sometimes setbacks are totally mundane and ridiculous. The Cassian on Yavin scenes reminded me of the time I missed being at my grandfather’s bedside before he passed because of an idiotic mistake made at my university bursar’s office, forcing me go to the office with the intention of quickly resolving it, but it dragged on for almost the whole day. And I missed an important moment with my grandfather because of that nonsense. Dumb stuff gets in the way of rebels too. Especially when they’re all working at cross-purposes. I really think it’s a genius decision to dump Andor into a mess of a failed rebel cell immediately after succeeding in a secret mission (that also went south, however). It was just one of those days when nothing goes right. And I imagine more of those kinds of days happen when you’re in an armed rebellion than when you’re at peace.

Well, we’re getting Saw’s crew. Plus, the one Cassian’s a part of. Both better organized. Not to mention that the idiots were not a full cell. They were a small part of the Maya Pei brigade that had been massacred two days earlier, and who had lost all their food and means of transportation. We weren’t supposed to view them as in their prime.

 

I respect your opinion.

 

Looks like Erskin will have some importance, given that he’s half Ghorman (he mentions that his family experienced prejudice in the past, based on this).

 

I was a little thrown off by the RIBs and the OTT action scene at the beginning the first time around, but a second watch of the three episodes convinced me it’s already a masterpiece, and character, story, and theme-wise, it’s on another level than S1.

 

I am sad at Brasso's passing. First Timm died in season 1, then Brasso in S2. Brasso was a great friend for Cassa.

 

Brasso was an incredibly stand-up dude. I’m gonna get a shirt with his face on it. He’s the heart of the resistance.

 

I liked how everyone watching the show expected Krennic to involve the Imperials in that room in a secret Operation Stardust/ Celestial I forgot but it was Ghorman Pride, spiders, silk and gems instead....no Kybur Crystals, but I think the gems have something to do with production of the Death Star, just like the Prisons on Narkina 5 produced Death Star parts unbeknownst to the prisoners.....

 

Thinking well return to Jeddah for the Khyber crystals

 

In Rebels Hera and her crew stops a shipment of Kybur Crystals, blowing it up. Where are they from do you think? Jedha?

 

Saw's crew is still mostly independent, and at this point of time Cassian seems more like Luthen's personal agent. I just hope that there will not be a situation like in Rebels, with the Alliance becoming a prominent military force almost completely behind the scenes.

 

Jedah or Illum

 

But all the rebel cells seem to be independent at this point. Luthen is trying to bring them together, but hasn't managed to.

 

Yes, and it would be great if one of the following arcs will actually show this cells joining forces for a military strike, marking the true start of the Alliance.

 

I will be curious to see to what extent the more extremist Rebel cells will be excluded from the Rebellion proper.

Fans have generally rejected the idea of Jedi doing morally questionable things, while the Rebellion has been fertile ground for morally gray characters going so far as committing murder, whether it be Andor assassinating his informant at the beginning of Rogue One or Luthen presumably having Tay assassinated.

That seems far from the Rebellion as we are led to believe it conducts itself in the OT.

Star Trek had the Federation which is a Utopian government, but they also introduced the concept of “Section 31” which is a covert group that does the morally objectionable things necessary to protect the Federation.

I am curious to see if things will come to a head as to who gets to lead the Rebellion and how it should conduct itself, or if those extremist elements will persist more in the vein of the Rebellion’s equivalent of Section 31 as something that we just don’t see in the saga but exists off camera.

Such a resolution might exist outside the scope of this show, since this leads to Rogue One and Rogue One, which led almost directly into ANH still showed the Rebellion as doing some objectionable things.


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I finally watched episode 3 last night. I agree with many that the Cassian stuff so far has been lackluster. The idiots in the forest were better when I rewatched that episode, but still...

Cassian's conversation with his conspirator in the lunch room or whatever it was his best moment so far. Dedra's exchange with Syril's mother was wonderful. I loved that. "I was raised in an Imperial kinderblock..."

And Cinta's back!!! I thought in episode 2, they were letting audience know that the Cinta character wasn't going to be around. I'm glad that isn't true.

The wedding stuff was long, but a lot of good stuff happened. I was hoping Mon would be the one going to eliminate Tay.

 

Mon doesn't seem like the type who would directly get their hands dirty killing someone.

But even so, she's getting in deep now. She's realizing the cost of financing and organizing a rebellion. Even with moral intentions, she's doing things that make her feel like she's losing her self and life.

 

Well we know that the Alliance breaks with Saw's Partisans (and extremism is listed as the reason) so hard that they're afraid they'll be killed on sight if they show up at his compound. So... yes? It does also appear that Rebel Intelligence may have a bit of an "independent" streak that has them take some liberties the rest of the Alliance wouldn't approve of. So maybe some of each: breaking with guys like Saw, but sticking with guys like Draven (and Cassian).

ETA: whatever happened to Jezzi? Mina-Rau doesn't seem to be a rebel operation, just where the survivors found to hide out, so I don't see a reason they would have dumped her elsewhere. Maybe she found other work that has her in a different spot on the planet? I wonder if she was able to lay low from the inspectors?

 

The entire thing is about the Death Star, yes. They need the resources from Ghorman for it, he even mentions what exactly they need it for.

This whole talk about "energy production" is nothing but a sharade. It's the cover story for the Death Star used in the ancilliary book to Rogue One called Catalyst (a really good book, by the way).