ST Andy Serkis (Supreme Leader Snoke) in Episode VII

ha ha!

 

Yeah, I could see them doing that. It's obviously early concept of the Emperor, but pushed slightly into a new direction and BOOM instant bad buy.



Emperor // or bluish Vampire, snake creature...

 

"I am right, you are wrong!"
That's all I'm getting from Plagueis haters, but I don't see any hard proof that the sequel trilogy won't feature him in some form.

As for "no evidence at all".this concept art speaks for itself. Why base it off a Plagueis action figure? Why not an original design? So at some point in pre-production, Plagueis was in some form suggested, then it evolved into Kylo Ren. This means Plagueis definitely isn't out of the question over at Lucasfilm.

 

Not bad.

 

I think people see Plagueis in that concept art when it's really Kylo Ren. What looks like a breath mask is the face guard of his mask and what looks like Plagueis' brow are the silver ridges. I think the deciding factor is the head. In the concept art it looks like a normal human head while Plagueis' is obviously elongated.

 

How do you know what Plagueis looks like?

 

Well the theory is that the concept art is based off of Plagueis' EU look. If you want to say the EU is dead and they could use any look for Plagueis they want that's sort of moving the goal post to fit the theory. I mean I could say Rey is Plagueis too but that doesn't make it likely. The evidence we have points to Kylo Ren being the one involved in that scene and the concept art looks like Kylo Ren. So most likely it is Kylo Ren.

 

Nah, nothing makes my day more than seeing his name posted 7 times on every thread whenever I jump on.

 

Holy crap till you mentioned Snoke I forgot this was his thread! I wish people would just post stuff about him in the Big baddie thread if they feel the need to beat the dead horse. This thread is for a new character that even has HIS NAME on the title of the thread!!!!!!!!!

 

Yep its looking more and more like the First Order dug Snoke up somewhere way out there with the stuff in the books.

 

That's what my money is on. The part of the empire that fled to the outskirts found Snoke and he brings the Knights of Ren to take over the Galaxy with his First Order.

 

All true. That artwork certainly seems to be the snow scene from the teaser.

 

The are not even rumours for Plagueis, and all the evidence suggests otherwise.

Drop it.

 

Snoke being one of the Imperials that the Emperor sent to edges of the galaxy would make sense. It's kinda the Thrawn way of doing things. Bringing in a bad guy that wasn't around during the big events because he was stationed far away.

Also his mission might explain why he speaks with Force terminology. Tashu made it sound like the Emperor was preparing the Empire to be integrated with such ideas. Much to the dismay of Admiral Motti I'm sure.

 

I was always under the impression that concept art was an early design for Kylo Ren. It always reminded me more of Darth Malgus(Old Republic games), than Plagueis. In general both these designs seem to be pretty inspired by Vader without the helmet.

Darth Malgus:

Based on the early rumors this is what I would have guessed the villain would look like, but that was back when people thought he was named Uber. Since they have revealed his name to be Snoke, my current theory is that he will look something like the Sith Snake Darkside creature from the Clone Wars episode Sacrifice (in the Yoda arc). It will be interesting to see if they can keep his design secret up until the release.

 

I don't see Darth Plagueis in that concept art at all. Even still, all bald headed Sith Lords with breathers or machinery attached or around their heads all owe their inspiration to Darth Vader without his helmet. Sure, some have breathing apparatuses on their faces while others have mechanics around their necks, but it's all the same concept.

 

Yeah he always looked much more like Malgus. Especially in the chest/torso area. But as you said, Malgus, Plagueis, and a bunch of other evil guys are based off of the look of Darth Vader without the mask. Since we now know that the main villain is some sort of Vader groupie, it makes much more sense that some artists toyed with the idea of what Kylo would look like under the helmet and it ended up looking like Vader and Vader like villains.

 

Actually, I don't think Snoke was an Imperial that the Emperor sent away into the Beyond. Instead, I think he was something that those Imperial fleets found there in the Beyond. It's details like that that would help shift Star Wars back into its more mythical style.

Like in Dragon Ball how Emperor Pilaf found King Piccolo's "prison" and released him from it with the intention of having Piccolo help him take over the world, only for him to discover that Piccolo was far stronger than he'd ever anticipated and soon became just one of Piccolo's many lackeys. Hell that trope was even used in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight to give Heath Ledger's Joker a more mythical vibe about him. We don't know where he came from; he just appears out of nowhere and quickly manipulates the mobs of Gotham into doing his bidding, because they were pushed into desperation.

I think it makes more sense to have Snoke as being a mysterious entity that came from this Wellspring of the Dark Side, as opposed to just being an Imperial officer who found the source of the Dark Side while on a mission for Palpatine.

 

shocked we haven't got any leaked concept art.

 

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Not to mention that good 'ol Sheev could have been fabricating the entire story to sway Anakin. He clearly knew what strings to pull with Anakin and the dude was the galaxy's great deceiver at the time. Plagueis could be nothing but a lie. It says tons to me that they did not bring his story into canon.

 

Plagueis isn't a lie. In the canon Tarkin novel, Sidious has an inner monologue with himself and he refers to Darth Plagueis as his master.

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Doesn't mean the story that Palpatine told to Anakin was fully true.


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Don't hate me! I'm getting to my Snoke speculation momentarily! Just wait!

I'm theorizing that most of the people who want Hego Damask in the sequel trilogy (I'm one of them) read Luceno's Darth Plagueis novel, and that most of the people that don't want (and are not speculating/hoping) that he will be in the movie have not read Luceno's Plagueis novel. Yes I know the Plagueis novel is not canon, but Plagueis as Sidious's master is canon. Please chime in with your thoughts.

I'm hoping that Hego Damask is the big bad of the trilogy because of what I know about him from that novel and how I think he would be the ultimate villain - the only one that could trump Palpatine. Damask is so tied up in the Skywalker family and history because he started it. And now the children and grandchildren of Anakin Skywalker have some unfinished business to take care of with their maker who, now that his treacherous former apprentice is out of the way (and left a massive galactic army behind him), asserts control, again from the shadows (because - speculation - his 'death' was a ploy to hide from Sidious and bide his time). And if this were true, I'm betting Snoke is Damask's apprentice and the leader of the First Order. Because Damask was never one to be the face of a very public institution (and a possible target).

I know people think that Kasdan and Abrams shut down the Plagueis speculation at Comic-con, especially when Kasdan says, "Darth Vegas? Like Las Vegas?" (Start at 38:00 ).
But Abrams follows up by saying that Kasdan is just messing with the attendee (meaning he knows who Darth Plagueis is) and then, before saying "for now, I will say no" to his inclusion in the movie, says he doesn't want to talk about story right now. They all look nervous, and Abrams is the first one to scramble and cut Daisy off when she says, "Ohh, is that..." Maybe she's thinking the audience member is referring to Snoke, or maybe a character she knows about but isn't in TFA.
If Damask is in the sequel trilogy, I bet there will be absolutely no mention or hint of him until Episode 8, just like the Emperor wasn't even mentioned and made the ultimate villain until the ESB.
OR possibly Snoke is Damask or has Damask elements. For example, it's canon that Plagueis existed and trained Sidious. It is not canon what his given name was (I don't think).

 

because it's not based on plagueis. it's based on darth malgus and it's a placeholder.

 

BUT THIS IS JUST SPECULATION I admit.