Apollo Creed...too cocky?

Thunderlips was pretty cocky.

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Rocky fights great, but Apollo is a great fighter. <Ding, ding!>

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The Master of Disaster, The King of Sting, The Dancing Destroyer, and The Count of Monte Fisto!

 

if he dies, he dies.

 

The Count of Monte Fisto was the greatest boxing name EVER!

 

Something that has bothered me since I first saw Rocky IV: why didn't respected boxing referee Lou Filipo not stop the fight when The Siberian Bull was destroying Apollo? Rocky should've been pissed at Filipo, not Drago.

"There's no easy way out. There's no shortcut home."

 

I like the fact that Rocky had Russian CIA on his *** everywhere he went...in training...

 

Merely for the sake of information, what is commonly called the Russian equivalent to the CIA is the KGB.

 

well we're calling it the Russian CIA from now on. Deal with it.

 

Hahaha! The Russian CIA, as it is known, is junior varsity for the aforementioned KGB.

I thought everybdoy knew this?

 

This thread gets an A+

 

"I'm asking ya...as a friend...stand by my side this one last time"

 

He was disgusting arrogant (not quite as disgustingly racist as the Lion King) in the 1st one

 

I like the part were Rocky books it and the Commies crash into that snowbank. Poor bloke slips when he tries pursuing on foot. Reminds me of where Rocky smokes those kids in the 2nd one. Love these movies.

<[-]> Saber

 

You ain't stoppin' nuthin.

 

I'm of the opinion that the whole Rocky series was an incredibly thinly veiled re-imagining of something like the Holmes v Cooney fight that would emerge later, except for with the ending that the public at large wished had actually emerged. I think, ultimately, it caught on because it played well to the "American underdog" thing, which has undertones of the "self-made man" which helped to make the later movies (post-2) a bit more than that. But the proposition of the films, originally, was little more than what I described in my first sentence.

 

Ummm...yeah it was, considering that was the acknowledged inspiration for the film's plotline.

Oh, and BTW, Rocky lost in the first film.

What makes the Rocky series so spectacularly campy, is that it goes from being a gritty realistic story about some down and out schmuck from Philadelphia, and ends (because I refuse to acknowledge Rocky 5) with Rocky single handedly ending the Cold War to the sound of "Hearts on Fire"

 

Yeah, I realize. But I think less of the films for that reason.

Yeah, but unlike many a "Great White Hope" he didn't get completely embarrassed in the process.

Never seen that one. But you refuse to acknowledge Rocky 6, too?

Although, yeah, it was a dumb movie. There was no sensible motivation for the current champ at all.

 

So it only would have been acceptable had Rocky gotten his ass kicked because he was White?

No need to make it all racial up in this piece.

 

No, I'm just pointing out that even with him losing, it was still a far more positive re-imagining of the subject matter than most anything that actually happened. Didn't Rocky lose by split-decision, and he broke Apollo's rib or something too?

What you're doing is kind of like arguing 300 wasn't a blatantly biased, pro-Western film because "the Greeks still lost at the end."

 

Why would you think less of the fiml if it was a more 'positive' re-imagining?

 

The Battle of Thermopylae was a blatantly biased, pro-Western event. (as has been most of history actually)

 

Because that was a poor choice of words on my part. It wasn't "positive" as in "good or admirable," it was positive as in "less embarrassing for the loser."

I don't see how anyone's interests are served, in the first place, by taking a sporting event and making it incredibly racialized. Much less by then taking that highly racialized event, and then explicitly making some fetishized fantasy about it turning out the other way. Almost unavoidably, the message becomes "Oh yeah, well we're still better than you anyway" in a highly racial kind of context.

What, at all, is good about that?

 

Because I think you are creating a "highly racialized" context where there was none before.

I honestly think in the 1970s (?) when the fight took place, most people were at least beyond consciously thinking "Oh, I hope this white guy kicks the crap out of this black guy"

It was more like "I hope this nobody can beat this rather uncharismatic champion"

 

lol at both assertions.

Since when did the post-Renaissance Era (being generous) equal "most of history?" I'm pretty sure there were several, you know, millennia of notable history prior to that point.

Second, there was nothing inherently impressive about Thermopylae. As soon as there was good enough intellgience to find an alternate route, the Greeks got completely crushed.

 

Interestingly, the original script of the film did involve racism, portraying Mick Goldmill as severely racist, and ending with Rocky purposely throwing the fight after realizing he didn't want to be part of such a racially divided world.

The Rocky that we know is essentially nothing more than an underdog story. There's nothing pro-white or anti-black about it, and to make it a racial issue is just unnecessary.

 

No, it was about a fighter that had nothing else to keep him going, he was more or less considered to be a never-was, he got a shot, and he went the distance with the world champ.

That's one of the best scenes in Rocky 2, at the start of the movie, when Rocky asks Apollo if he fought his hardest, and Apollo grudgingly said yes.