Full Series Asajj Ventress in the Clone Wars discussion thread

Yep your right. Weird that I don’t remember that quote or that it doesn’t ring a bell. Might need to rewatch the show again

 

I don't think he was training her to be Sith. Just developing her Force abilities to make her stronger. Yes I do think he intended to do so and use her to kill Sheev....and that is what that quote is about. Prove herself worthy of being taught Sith teachings.

 

Ventress never walked away from the Dark Side, just the Sith. She used the Dark Side it right up until her end in Dark Disciple to where she even becomes part of the Dathomir which is a Dark Side planet and restores the sacred waters of life. She used the Nightsister way of using the Dark Side which she attempted to teach to Quinlan Vos because thats what the Council thought could work against Dooku. Quinlan was captured and subjected to torture to become a Sith Apprentice of Dooku's. Sidious knew of Quinlan being trained like he knew of Ventress. Ventress was a shared asset. She also never quite walked away from seeking vengeance against Dooku but in the end sacrificed her life to save Quinlan's because she loved him and committed a selfless act and allowed for Vos to go back to the Light and the Jedi.

As far as betrayal by Dooku, there is a little more to it Clone Wars cartoon than the EU. In the EU Dooku also betrayed her cause she failed at killing the Jedi, at the time she was even given cybernetic enchantments to amplify her her rage and anger and she lost an eye. Kenobi tried to reason with her, she was wounded and all at the time, but Anakin delivered what seemed like a fatal blow to her. So left on the battlefield, abandoned by Dooku and she was ordered killed by Dooku. So a Magnaguard shot her down with a blaster rifle. Ventress faked her death by putting herself in a Sith healing coma-like state. Ventress just retires afterwards never to be seen again.

 

@Vorax,
I would buy "Obsession" to be canon without the lost eye of hers. Then the Ventress/Vos arc might take place while I don't like the end for it is so unevitable in this constellation. I mean, everybody here in the forelooming of Rebels s. 4 knew what should happen in "Twin Suns", when Maul and Obi-Wan would ever meet again on Tatooine. And so it was with Ventress and Dooku in DD.

 

At least as portrayed in DD, the Nightsisters are a "greyer" faction than the Sith.

 

Also Fallen Order although I still would say they are dark side users

 

They use the dark side (and to some extent, the light - personifying them as the Fanged God and Winged Goddess), but they're not consumed by the dark side the way the Sith are.

 

We don't know much about the Ancient Sith, and Sidious' order was largely built upon take revenge on the Jedi and kill them all.

- Asajj Ventress to Quinlan Vos


Nightsisters rarely meddled in galactic affairs or go off world. Talzin however did at various points, including allying with Darth Sidious and later against. They are very much Dark Siders and aligned with it . They draw their power primarily from Dathomir which also limits their scope and range and their way of harnessing the Dark Side is that they supposedly find a balance in order to remain themselves as individuals while practicing their dark magicks.

Ventress was more a natural Force wielder , its unclear if Merrin is too but she seems like she could potentially be related to Talzin or Daka or similar in her powers. But the longer she remains away from Dathomir or without access to her talisman she might eventually lose her powers.

Merrin mainly joins The Stinger Mantis crew to bring the fight to their common enemy, the Empire and to protect Dathomir from them . Plus she took a liking to Kal.

Maul takes up residence on Dathomir and the planet remains free from Imperial rule from the time of this game, to Maul in SOLO to Maul in REBELS.

 

I wonder if it's out there that some author might take up the helm to write up a true Ventress origin story.

 

Between the TCW flashbacks and Dooku: Jedi Lost, it's pretty much all covered.

 

Well I don't know too much about the Dooku novel outside of what I've read in the inside cover. I know she's on the cover; but considering the novel seems like an origin story for Dooku, it doesn't make sense how much Ventress would come into play. She only came into being his apprentice well after he left the Jedi Order and became Sidious' apprentice.

 

I would say Ventress is the other main character in the story besides Dooku. Her former master, Ky Narec, also plays a large role.

 

But does she come into the picture in a much later chapter? Unless the book is a series of flashbacks and flash-forwards, the timeline wouldn't make sense.

 

She is there from the beginning. The whole story is about Ventress, who has just become Dooku's apprentice, learning about Dooku's past.

 

Ah ok. Guess I'll have to pick it up someone from my library.

 

It was originally made to be an audio book. You can get a book version but it is much better as an audio book

 

Ironically enough, I'm currently listening to Aftermath on audiobook in my car.

 

Here's a preview of the audio play from the official SW site.

 

I checked the library-affiliated site "Overdrive" to see if I'd be able to borrow the Jedi Lost novel on audiobook and unfortunately they don't have it currently; not even available for request. I guess I'll have to take the physical book out of the library sometime.

 

I don't think it exists physically. You'd have to buy it on Audible.

 

I saw the physical book at my library a few months ago when it was on the new shelf. It's listed on Amazon.

 

The audio version, I mean.

 

But you said you don't think it existed physically.

 

Yes, I don't think the audio version exists physically. There's no CD you can purchase. You can only get it on Audible.

 

I know this thread has been gathering up dust since the pre-pandemic days, but I found an interesting article that I thought would be suitable to share in here.

What if Palpatine had taken on Ventress as his pre-Anakin apprentice during the Clone Wars instead of Maul/Dooku?

As a former Jedi, Dooku was of course strong in the ways of the Force; but he was old and far more useful to Palpatine in manipulating the Separatists as their puppet leader. Maul of course was handy with a lightsaber, but he was nothing more than a hitman for Palpatine and in the end he wound up being more of a rival than anyone. In borrowing the "What if?" theme from Marvel, what would've happened if Palpatine had been the one to rescue Ventress after her former master was slain instead of Dooku? Could she have reigned all that time at his side; maybe be the puppet leader of the Separatists but all the while going out on scourges leading the droid armies? I know it's sacrilege to think about it, but could she have had Palpatine possibly second-guess the need for Anakin? Maybe he could've just used her all along to get his real prize, Mother Talzin herself; where Talzin would be his second in command. I know the history of how she initially did work with him; but I couldn't fully understand the logic as to why he was so obsessed with tricking her into acquiring baby Maul for himself. It turned out he didn't have any real legit master plans for Maul, did he?