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Mini Series Bazil the Tynnan

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by A Chorus of Disapproval , Jun 18, 2024.

  1. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    You asked for it.

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  2. Hollowshape

    Hollowshape Jedi Knight star 1

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    I'll take Bazil over Jar Jar any day
     
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  3. DLCV

    DLCV Jedi Master star 3

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    Someone explain why Bazil did that with Sol's ship.
     
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  4. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    I think he believed Sol was planning to blow Mae's ship out of the sky and was thinking "This guy hasn't been acting very Jedi-ish".
     
  5. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Yeah, that's basically the only possible explanation. Fine. But in the process, he almost killed everyone anyway.
     
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  6. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    The true miracle of that scene is that, for the first time in the series, Mae was actually the only character with a clear motive.
     
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  7. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    Mae: I'm getting the **** out of here
    Sol: I'm gonna shoot down this person that I absolutely need to stay alive
    Bazil: I'm going to kill everyone
     
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  8. Krueger

    Krueger Chosen One star 5

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    Sounds fun.
     
  9. Riv_Shiel

    Riv_Shiel Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I think if we all sit back and look at the whole situation objectively, it is clear that Bazil's every action is easily explained by him being Plagueis' Sith Master.
     
  10. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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  11. Daxon101

    Daxon101 Force Ghost star 6

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    Darth Bazil the wiser.
     
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  12. Darth Chiznuk

    Darth Chiznuk Retired Superninja star 8 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    [​IMG]
     
  13. Clone8looper

    Clone8looper Jedi Knight star 2

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    Everyone turned on Sol in the end. Even this little poop stain. Still love him though. I want to feed him nuts down at the park.
     
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  14. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Master star 4

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    I think Bazil was a tracker who was a little confused by 2 different people bring identical and the seemingly "bad" actions of the Jedi. I think Bazil was just trying to stop things from escalating.

    Does Bazil damage the ship after Brendok so Mae and Sol can't get away quickly, stalling for Vernestra's arrival? Bazil confronts Mae afterwards to stop her from fixing things, if I recall.

    Bazil then stops Sol from shooting her down, making a judgement call in light of the fact that Yord, the Jedi translator, was dead.

    If I've put this together right, in hindsight, the need for speed in the story over-rode the matter of character and their portrayal.

    Which is symptomatic of this series...
     
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  15. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Bazil was a furry epistemological gap -- sublime and puzzling.

    He's like a mime in an expressionist movie or play intended to create a Brechtian, alienation effect.

    The audience thinks they know what's going on, then the little furry jester shows up and implodes all sense.

    Love it, even if it was a mistake -- but I sense the ambiguity was probably intentional.
     
  16. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I wouldn’t doubt this. Headland infuses a lot of what she does with that kind of sly humor.
     
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  17. ewoksimon

    ewoksimon Chosen One star 5

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    Bazil is the key to all this.

     
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  18. The Chalk Jedi

    The Chalk Jedi Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So Bazil's actions were no accident, according to Headland:

    So it should be clear to us what Headland's intentions were with Bazil now. He's not some Jedi simp who just blindly follows whatever a random Jedi decides to do. He has his own complex form of judgement, despite being a crazy beaver creature, and whether or not he 100% trusted Mae, he didn't approve of the way Sol was treating her and was willing to stand up to a Jedi to protect her. As Headland says, he's playing the hero here.

    This type of moral complexity in SW, especially with an alien that doesn't speak English and isn't translated for the audience, creates exactly the kind of ambiguity I think is really interesting and important for SW fans.

    Many SW fans long for simplistic binary perceptions of the world so that it seems clear and understandable, but this sort of view is just a social construct. Headland subverts this sort of simple sight by allowing her characters to have complex motivations, and this complexity means that they can ally themselves with a Jedi one moment and then Mae the next.

    I think it's pretty courageous for Headland to allow a scene like this in her show. The vast majority of the audience were scratching their heads about Bazil's actions in E8, including me. But ultimately it forces us to try to be more active viewers and analyze what's going on what Bazil, which as I said above, is a form of Brecht's alienation effect, or what other writers call estrangement.

    It's bold because Bazil's complexity actually does interrupt a really interesting scene of space action, forcing the viewers to not merely sit back and enjoy the ride, but to question the moral alliances of the characters -- which is the entire point of Headland's approach to the show.
     
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  19. A Chorus of Disapproval

    A Chorus of Disapproval Head Admin & TV Screaming Service star 10 Staff Member Administrator

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    Did anyone ask her why Sol was attempting to blast Mae out of the sky?
     
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  20. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    This is too funny. Headland freely admits that they didn't include a previous scene that would have explained Bazil's later actions (him witnessing the handcuffing of Mae by Sol) for reasons of storytelling efficiency. And so she she has to explain, in an interview, that maybe Bazil saw Sol handcuff Mae, and so he later turns on Sol to stop him from shooting down or capturing Mae because he believes Sol has lost his marbles. It's a fine interpretation. It's just not in the show.
     
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  21. DannyD

    DannyD Jedi Master star 4

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    The problem of the Acolyte. Frustrating!
     
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  22. Sproj

    Sproj Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm not someone who has been following the interviews with the director and a show shouldn't need running notes to allow it to make sense. As a result, this was such a stupid character who, like so many in this show, had motivations that made no sense.

    If there is someone interfering, which it seems clear there is, in run times, Disney needs to get that person out of the way yesterday, it is ruining almost every show / movie they are putting out. They are getting some great directors in, why stifle them by interfering with time constraints? And why are there time constraints? Which focus group is telling them there needs to be? That focus group also needs to be sacked because it is out of touch with reality.
     
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  23. Hollowshape

    Hollowshape Jedi Knight star 1

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    I have not needed to read any interviews the showrunner to understand character motivations in this show.

    I figured out why Bazil did what he did.
     
  24. Bor Mullet

    Bor Mullet Force Ghost star 8

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    I don’t think it’s a matter of figuring anything out. It’s just a matter of guessing. I too thought he might’ve done it because he thought Sol had lost his mind and was gonna murder Mae. But that’s just a guess. The problem is the execution. We don’t see Bazil witness Sol tying down Mae, and we don’t witness his discomfort with it. In fact, last we saw Bazil, he was attempting a fierce karate chop on Mae. And how he’s risking his life to save her.

    We could assume that maybe Bazil saw what Dol was doing and didn’t approve, but we don’t know. We also don’t see Bazil witness Mae stabbing Sol with Pip’s head. So we could also assume that Bazil saw Mae stab Sol, which would make his decision to protect Mae even more confusing.

    As Headland said, they omitted a scene of Bazil reacting fearfully to Sol interrogating a tied up Mae. A scene that was there for a good reason. But she sacrificed it for the sake of a cleaner and uninterrupted interaction between Sol and Mae.

    In other words, we’re all guessing why Bazil did what he did, not figuring it out.
     
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  25. Hollowshape

    Hollowshape Jedi Knight star 1

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    Bazil just stepped on her foot.

    We get two reactions shots of Bazil after Sol has stunned Mae and shuts off the comm. He looks confused.
     
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