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Census Best U.S. President since 1960?

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Best U.S. President since 1960?

  1. John Fitzgerald Kennedy

    24.0%
  2. Lyndon Baines Johnson

    5.3%
  3. Richard Milhous Nixon

    2.7%
  4. Gerald Rudolph Ford

    1.3%
  5. James Earl Carter

    5.3%
  6. Ronald Wilson Reagan

    13.3%
  7. George Herbert Walker Bush

    2.7%
  8. William Jefferson Clinton

    9.3%
  9. George Walker Bush

    2.7%
  10. Barack Hussein Obama

    33.3%
  1. Rylo Ken

    Rylo Ken Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    LBJ all the way
     
  2. Point Given

    Point Given Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    I unfortunately don't have the books in front of me, but in Robert Caro's biographies of Lyndon Johnson, he relates how Kennedy and his allies nearly botched the Civil Rights Act of 1964 by failing to shepherd it through Congress efficiently, and getting it bogged down in front of a budget bill that Kennedy needed to get passed. In return, Kennedy had to withdraw support for it. It was Johnson, the arch-pragmatist who was able to ram it through.
     
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  3. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Anakinfansince1983: John Fitzgerald Kennedy was anything but a neocon. Throughout his brief presidency, he resisted the moral corruption of the Eisenhower-Dulles machine; consequently, his death was as catastrophic as Lincoln and FDR's. I recommend reading David Talbot's Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedys and James Douglass's JFK and the Unthinkable: Why He Died and Why It Matters.

    Here's a good essay:

    https://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/25/jfks-embrace-of-third-world-nationalists/
     
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  4. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Ehhh, a bit but also no.

    You're just more picking up that first gen neocons were all frustrated liberals.
     
  5. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    If Eisenhower were on the list, I'd vote for him...followed by Obama, Ford, and Carter.
     
  6. DarthPhilosopher

    DarthPhilosopher Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    As much as I like JFK he is significantly overestimated in debates like this. He was a good President, who made some significant mistakes, and who is held in better regard for his potential than for his actual achievements.

    LBJ made actual great progress, however is forever damaged by Vietnam.

    Nixon is an outright terrible human being.

    Carter is a victim of history, and probably the best person to ever hold the office. He wasn't a very good President however.

    Reagan - a misguided and dangerous conservative responsible for Americans current problems.

    Bush I - handled the Gulf War well.

    Clinton - much like his wife he is an opportunist, morally ambiguous, and failed to reverse the move towards the Great Recession.

    Bush II - Useless.

    Obama - an idealist, who was changed by the office and who was ultimately unable to get through the necessary change. However he effectively saved America and the world from a Depression many magnitudes worse that the 30's Depression and repaired America's reputation greatly.
     
  7. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    I would be disappointed if the name Bernie Sanders was on this list, for his extreme hate of the global poor.
     
  8. DantheJedi

    DantheJedi Jedi Master star 5

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    I have a book (Okay, a graphic novel) that's a history of the 1970s, and it describes Carter as being symbol-minded, but choosing the wrong symbols, like deciding not to light all the lights on the White House Christmas tree, except for one, during the Iran hostage crisis, saying they'll all be lit when all the hostages are freed.
     
  9. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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  10. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    LBJ would be the runaway favorite for his passage of the CWA of 64,VRA of 65 and the Great Society initiatives. Unfortunately, Vietnam, aka "Johnson's War", drags him down to just being ahead of everyone else. But he accomplished the most since 1960 by far and the Great Society had a huge influence, so much so that Nixon actually expanded it with OSHA and the EPA etc. We still live with its legacy today(and the expectations of government).

    LBJ all the way.
     
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  11. duende

    duende Jedi Master star 5

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    lbj was a gotdamned disaster, and he knew it too, in the end.
     
  12. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Still the "Best" if by that we mean biggest impact and legacy, even if you think that impact was good/bad. We live with LBJ's vision of government. He was a game changer.
     
  13. blackmyron

    blackmyron Force Ghost star 6

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    Kennedy. If for anything else, the book Dark Sun made it clear we were one cool head away from a nuclear war.
     
  14. grd4

    grd4 Jedi Master star 4

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    Whenever I'm tempted to vote LBJ, I recall that Galbraith anecdote:

    "You know, if it hadn't been for Vietnam, Johnson would have been a great president."
    "True, but that's like saying Switzerland would be flat if it weren't for the Alps."
     
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  15. duende

    duende Jedi Master star 5

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    well of course he was impact-ful. but he still makes me puke!
     
  16. ShaneP

    ShaneP Ex-Mod Officio star 7 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Well there are a few on this list that make me do that. [face_sick]
     
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  17. duende

    duende Jedi Master star 5

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    well maybe we could share a bowl someday. i'd like that.
     
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  18. duende

    duende Jedi Master star 5

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    a toilet bowl, that is
     
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  19. Coruscant

    Coruscant Jedi Grand Master star 7

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    This is how you double post, people.
     
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  20. Asplundhe

    Asplundhe Jedi Padawan star 2

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    lol, you're adorable.
     
  21. Master_Rebado

    Master_Rebado Chosen One star 6

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    Ronald Wilson Reagan
     
  22. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Actually, arguably, Reagan and Kennedy are the only ones who cast large shadows.

    Nixon, but for his indiscretion more than his legacy.
     
  23. Jabba-wocky

    Jabba-wocky Chosen One star 9

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    They cast shadows, while his Excellency radiates glorious light.
     
  24. Ender Sai

    Ender Sai Bitterest Ex-Mod star 10

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    Yes, that'd be the propulsion from the Hellfire missile he fired personally from a Predator drone.
     
  25. slightly_unhinged

    slightly_unhinged Jedi Master star 4

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    Isn't this kinda like asking 'what's the best venereal disease?'

    I mean, I guess on some level it's better to have chlamydia than hep C but even so.