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Lit Biggest unsolved mysteries in Legends or Canon?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by Galactic Bibliophile, Jan 2, 2024.

  1. PowBasilisk

    PowBasilisk Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I understand that, however I choose to omit TCW from my legends headcanon because I prefer the multi-media project without the retcons that came as a result of TCW
     
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  2. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    Yeah, I personally think it's a lot neater from a continuity perspective if the multimedia project is the 'Legends' Clone Wars and TCW is the 'new-canon' Clone Wars. It's not a quality judgment for either one, (though as I've said a couple of times, TBH it kinda is a quality judgment of the TCW-EU tie-ins...) it's just simpler.
     
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  3. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I favor the Denningverse and the post-Endor period in general. So I need TCW. Require it, even. If it overrides minor things like Anakin's hair dye, it doesn't really matter much to me.
     
  4. PowBasilisk

    PowBasilisk Jedi Padawan star 1

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    One way to go about it is look at TCW and it’s tie-ins as part of the secondary-canon tier, like the old Marvel comics
     
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  5. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    The TCW show tie in novels and comics they are very forgettable stories in general, plus the existence of the Mortis Gods in Fate of the Jedi for me only canonizes the Mortis Family in the EU, not the TCW show, literally Ahsoka Tano was almost never mentioned in the EU, if you remove her existence the EU can work the same even the Clone Wars era works better TCW show is not bad it just doesn't fit well into the EU continuity
     
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  6. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    There's also the Mauldalorians. They've been made part of Legends canon, and the Imperial SuperCommandos from Rebels link up very nicely with the Death Watch revival in some of the last Traviss novels.
     
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  7. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    The Last Jedi novel did a good job at connecting Mandalore lore from TCW with the EU, showing that both Keldabe and Sundari were capitals at the same time.
     
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  8. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Yeah exactly, things like Mortis and the Mauldalorian/Satinealore/...Prealore arc has been tied very heavily to Legends. When there's minor things, like Quinlan Vos, I like to take his Legends character as his regular self, then in that one TCW episode, he's just high on deathsticks. It happens. Barriss Offee ended up redeemed, eventually, or was part of a Quinlan infiltration plot, which ended up revealed. Makes sense Palpatine would allow things like Barriss and Quinlan slide, and even allow the Jedi to restore their Jedi General rank, as it only helps their shady reputation.
     
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  9. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    I don't understand why fans here try so hard to justify TCW in Legends, sometimes i wonder if they've really read Clone Wars Multimedia Project or they just like TCW much more but i'm tired of talking about contradictions you are all free of believe anything you want i just hope how you justify Ventress return in Bad Batch but well Disney has broken the canon before with ANH and Kenobi show so this is not new
     
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  10. son_of_skywalker03

    son_of_skywalker03 Force Ghost star 4

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    Then stop doing it.
     
  11. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Late continuity in the EU, which I value extremely as part of the EU, like the Denningverse and the Traviss books, along with cut Legacy Era stuff like the Maul game feature direct references to TCW heavily. I'm not even a major TCW fan, but I find that it add more than it ruined. Mandalorians being more than just a bunch of cool merc guys I believe is a good addition. The Mortis Gods and their relation to Abeloth is also good.
     
  12. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    In what part of the EU they talk about Ahsoka Tano other than Clone Wars era? she is like a myth or a holoshow character in the EU in ROTS novel they say that Anakin and Obi Wan were stars in holoshows maybe the citizens of the Galaxy saw TCW? if you want Ahsoka just follow the New Canon
     
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  13. PowBasilisk

    PowBasilisk Jedi Padawan star 1

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    I’m pretty sure she appears in several TCW novels that are officially part of legends, and I know there are a fair amount of comics with her in them

    EDIT: I missed the “other than Clone Wars era” part, my bad
     
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  14. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Ventress was not mentioned in the EU outside Clone Wars era stories, why Ahsoka must be different?
     
  15. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    Ventress was on Clone Wars Multimedia Project novels and Dark Horse Republic Clone Wars comics unlike Ahsoka
     
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  16. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Don't change the subject, the original point was about in-universe chronology.
     
  17. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    In universe chronology dont make sense for Clone Wars Multimedia Project and TCW to coexist in the same Universe and about Thrawn Trilogy contradicting the Prequels that was fixed with Republic comics and Outbound Flight novel you cant fix Clone Wars Multimedia Project and TCW coexisting changing the months or years Anakin had long hair and was a knight at the end of the war in Clone Wars Multimedia Project the Clones were already in their phase 3 armor Anakin was not a knight at the beginning of the war in Clone Wars Multimedia Project
     
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  18. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    The original point was about Ahsoka not being referenced in post-Clone Wars EU.
     
  19. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Ahsoka was in EU novels. She and Rex even shared scenes with Pellaeon.
     
  20. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    In my opinion forcing TCW in the EU was one of the worst things that the last days of the EU did and Darth Maul TCW origin in Darth Plagueis novel was forced i don't hate TCW i just don't like contradictions
    TCW novels and comics forgettable stories that even most TCW fans never read seemed like those stories were made just for the purpose of promoting TCW for me TCW novels and comics are Infinities i wouldn't be surprised if Darth Maul son of dathomir comic is not canon in the Disney Universe and then later they make a Tales of the Jedi episode telling that story as it really happened in the New Canon
     
  21. Foreign32567

    Foreign32567 Jedi Master star 4

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    Comic with younger Ozzel about battle for the planet of humanoid walruses was gold.
    [​IMG]
     
  22. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    You were saying Ahsoka was never a thing in the EU, when she clearly was, to the extent where she interacted with one of the more notable EU characters. The subjective quality of those stories is entirely besides your own point.
     
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  23. Darth Vectivus

    Darth Vectivus Jedi Padawan star 3

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    So was Callista and what? maybe the Pellaeon who talked with Ahsoka is not EU Pellaeon but Disney Universe Pellaeon TCW novels and comics are stories that have no impact on the Universe, the EU would be the same without TCW the truth is that TCW does not have the same level of importance as the 6 original movies the EU dont follow Lucas canon and Luke gets married in this Universe something that Lucas dont liked Mortis Gods could have existed in the EU without the existence of TCW Vader also had other apprentices in the EU such as Kharys Galen Marek and Lumiya why should Ahsoka be so important? Marek was also rarely referenced in the EU but at least in Legends the Rebel Alliance logo represents Galen Marek's family so there is a connection there although i think that EU Ahsoka equivalent should be Lumiya since Lumiya was important for the EU Universe just like Ahsoka is for the New Canon here in this Wookieepedia article there is a list about some contradictions of TCW towards Clone Wars Multimedia Project
    https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_The_Clone_Wars
     
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  24. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Well as I said above, your opinion of the stories doesn’t change the fact that they exist as part of the EU. You can complain about how little they got referenced in other stories, but it doesn’t change the nature of those stories as being part of the pre-Disney Expanded Universe publisher by Lucasfilm.
     
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  25. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Abeloth and the Mortis Gods are a major part of the EU continuity, an essential one to the level of the OT and PT, I could make a 15 page argument. If you want to cut out the Denningverse, just admit you're writing fanfiction that excludes it. Nothing wrong with that. But at that point, it is essentially fanfiction. Contradictions about what is essentially minor extras like Eeth Koth and Barriss Offee are not worth throwing away the baby with the bathwater. If we're cutting anything out of Legends TCW, it should just be Season 6, where the major contradictions are. Then say the Siege of Mandalore from S7 happened, but in broad strokes, that also led to the situation in the last few Republic Commando books, which brings up Death Watch collaborators.