Lit A/V Clone Wars Continuity Discussion (Spoilers Allowed)

Even accepting that the TF maintains their Senate seat at the time, the idea that Padme would just waltz over to Cato Neimoidia without a care after the events of TPM is... well, she's either the greatest diplomat in the world or she suffered major head trauma a few minutes prior to the start of the episode.

 

Right, because casual dismemberment isn't morally questionable at all.

 

In that situation? No, it's not. In real life, someone holding a detonator like that (non-deadman switch), cops might have a sniper blow their head off. If a Jedi was able to end the situation without killing, especially in a galaxy where prosthetics aren't uncommon, I don't see the issue, and I certainly don't think it's as questionable as stabbing the guy in the back.

 

Yes, it is, especially considering, as you said, that the det was not rigged with a dead-man switch, and even if it wasn't, the judicious application of a little telekinesis ought to be more than sufficient to disarm the threat, and above and beyond that one, particular scenario, most Jedi seem far too keen on literally "disarming" opponents when numerous other measures are open to them.

 

Not to be forgotten, Cad Bane... even though two Masters assisted. And Charles, my money is on that 'killing-blow' being nothing more than a blatant tie-in, that clearly points in Rhett's direction.

The only thing missing was a wicked backhand, followed by a brief, force-powered, rag-doll session....

Heck, even their names are about as phonetically identical as they can get.

I know, right? This has been killing me for two years now. I understand mixing it up a little to keeps things fresh, but sometimes... following this series is worse than trying to read a chalk-line drawn, hop-scotch board in the driveway, after a 4-hour monsoon downpour...


every thing is blurred.

 

Really? Compared to...what, security forces who would just kill the person? I get holding the Jedi to a higher standard - which is why I said Anakin could have just taken the guy's arm off instead of killing him - but come on. Had it been any of the clone troopers getting the drop on the guy, they would have shot him in the head to protect the ship. There's holding the Jedi to a higher standard, and then there's setting unrealistic goals considering the situation.

 

So....when are the new episodes starting back up anyway?

 

Really.

Yep.

Dismemberment is arguably worse in this context than killing. Gratuitously slicing off someone's arm when you could have just as easily cut his gun in half or any number of other things is likely going to result in a life-long grudge against the Jedi Order by the amputee, which, given this is the GFFA we're talking about, will more likely than not lead to all kinds of fun...

Which this isn't.

 

We'll just have to disagree then, as I don't see cutting off an arm as equal or worse than killing someone. Also, you just shifted your argument from which is more morally questionable, killing or removing an arm, and made it about Jedi PR.

Also, 10,000 Jedi among some exponentially large number of sentients in the Republic? I think they can live with one person having a grudge, especially if that person is going off to jail shortly thereafter for whatever crime they were in the process of in the first place.

 

Consider it an addendum to my argument, which is that wilfully choosing dismemberment over other, less violent means of addressing a threat is indicative of some very questionable and deep-seated doctrinal and disciplenary issues.

As I said, this is the GFFA we're talking about, where, decades after the Battle of Hoth, Luke Skywalker just happens to run into the same Wampa he "disarmed" all those years ago.

 

I'd say your anti-Jedi bias is pretty strong here. If you're going to apply such rules, apply them equally - clone troopers should only be stunning non-droids, not using explosives or flame thrower units when facing sentients, etc. All fighters and capital ships should be equipped with ion cannons only. After all, why use torpedoes and heavy guns when there is a less violent means of addressing the threat?

 

I'd say that your pro-Jedi bias is pretty strong here, to the point that you're missing the point completely.

Of course the rules are not applied equally. Of course the Jedi are held to a higher standard. That's the whole of being Jedi in the first place, "keepers of the peace, not soldiers" and all that sort of thing.

 

I think the bigger issue is Anakin's nonchalant attitude towards the taking of Merrick's life.

 

Well, with the UK getting things late, and me not even having had the time to watch the last few episodes until this weekend, a lot of these comments are probably a bit late, but oh well, in any case:

Regarding Merrick, I saw the attack coming before it happened, and found it a pretty sweet scene, personally. I like how they seem to little by little be foreshadowing the fact that while from one point of view Anakin is the true hero, from another point of view he's every now and again letting his rather nonchalant streak seep through. For what's primarily a kids' show, I've been very impressed by the little touches, much more so this series than the first. Don't know what some of the other things that are being talked about are... oh well. I really don't get why we have to get the episodes late, it wasn't like this with the first series, or at least the delay didn't seem as long.

Yeah, something along those lines is basically how I'm looking at it, too. I mean, the Trade Federation must employ, what, millions? I can quite easily see why the Republic may have been reluctant to outright go and declare every single employee an enemy of the state, as that probably wouldn't have gone down very well with the workers' unions.

I imagine, from a certain point of view, the Jedi themselves probably had to step very cautiously too. After all, the Separatists were started by a Jedi, so if they pushed to declare every single member of the Trade Federation a terrorist because of what one moron on the board of directors had decided to do... well, by the same argument because of what one Jedi Master decided to do the Jedi Order should be excommunicated as well. (Which, of course, is what ultimately happens when Palpatine pins the entire thing on them as an attempted coup.)

I like the whole greyness it injects, personally. I always have figured the idea of an entire corporation defecting en masse to just be a very "bird's eye view" of the situation, rather than necessarily the "big picture". In effect, I see the situation with some of the corporations as the opposite side of the coin to how we've always known about fallen Jedi or fringe breakaway elements of the Grand Army, so I like that they're trying to show the Confederacy through a more clouded lens, as I think it adds to the confusion and uncertainty of the whole thing. Nobody knows who to trust, who to believe, etc.

Anyway, regarding the "darksaber" (which, being stubborn, I don't see the need to treat as a proper noun anymore than lightsaber is Lightsaber ), my reaction to it was... I dunno. Part of me's really wanted to see a larger darkstick (the original WEG version, not the WOTC one that was built around a metal blade) that was made into a "darksaber" design; I've been banding the term around for years. But, despite that, there was something about seeing it in such a prominent medium as the TV series that I think makes me a little uneasy. Because I know that, now that it's been right in front of the casual audience's eyes, it's probably going to show up everywhere now.

Not that it really matters. The pseudo-science behind it doesn't bother me anymore than half the stuff in Star Wars that doesn't make sense. I just hope we don't start seeing it becoming as common as every Dark Jedi needing to be a Sith and have a red lightsaber. (Though, admittedly, maybe if we start seeing some Sith with red, others with black, maybe I should really see that as an improvement. ) The, er, way it left a "tail" when it was swung was a rather neat look... which, again, I can see becoming a popular "That looks cool!" thing that'll probably start showing up everywhere. In fact, and I could be talking out of my ass here, but didn't so

 

One of the best parts, if not THEE best part of the series. They really have done a good job there.

 

That goes without saying.

 

I should have added an "S" to the original issue: "and Kenobi's weak disapproval, postmortem."

 

But, like, they can totally just get an artificial limb! Why bother making an effort to take them down any differently? Surely it's quicker and easier for the Jedi to just lop off a limb and... wait a minute.

Yeah. Really not a fan of the Jedi's penchant for limb slicing.

 

Jedi Mandates 101a and 101b.

Hack and Slash = FIRST
Ask Questions = later

 

Random thought...

Remember in Grievous Intrigue when Anakin and Adi Gallia landed on the underside of Grievous's flagship, and even though they were in space, they were upside-down so Adi's headdress was upside down too?

I guess I just hope that Filoni and co. stop imitating the rescue scene from Episode III, and realize that Lucas doesn't understand how artificial gravity actually works.

 

Random Question...

which one of those gravitational scenarios is true, ultimate, unalterable G-level, SW-Canon?

 

Here's a preview of Trench:
http://www.cartoonnetwork.com/tv_shows/starwars/?episodeID=8a2505962719b6d501271a207a520004

He's at the end, and it features a Providence destroyer and interesting close-ups of Trench the spider.

That shot of the Providence destroyer resembles that scene in ROTS.

 

There's something distinctly... General Grievousy about that fellow. In fact, I'd almost go so far to say he's a complete stereotype of every other Separatist villain.

But I haven't seen him in action yet, so what do I know?

 

I was expecting someone a little Rommel-esque in the character of Trench...consider me disappointed. He does look to be an interesting baddie, at least.

 

Definitely the one from Empire. Where they land the Falcon on the side of a Star Destroyer, but gravity inside the ship remains normal. 'Cause, ya know, THEY'RE IN SPACE.



I've read that the official Episode III explanation is that the artificial gravity, tensor fields, and inertial compensators of the Invisible Hand all began to fail. Anyone know where that's from?