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Coruscant - Crushed?

Discussion in 'Literature' started by PadmeA_Panties, Nov 18, 2007.

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  1. Valin__Kenobi

    Valin__Kenobi Author: Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji star 4 VIP

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    Good point but that's just redistribution. The mass doesn't go anywhere.
     
  2. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Speaking of off-world material.

    What is the estimated population of Coruscant?

    On Earth, all of our population (human and animal) are all from the Earth and thus it still falls under the whole redistribution of the original weight/material.

    But on Coruscant, how much of the population is offworld? And with them comes all of their waste, pets, living materials, etc.

    Simply put, with how laws of physics, etc, there is no possible way Coruscant could exist.
     
  3. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    *ahem*...? o_O

    ;)

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  4. The Loyal Imperial

    The Loyal Imperial Manager Emeritus star 6 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Easy,

    Star Wars > physics. ;)
     
  5. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    How does repulsorlift explain anything I've mentioned above? How does that explain the massive pollution, the massive new weight encompassed by off-world building materials, off-world populace moved onto Coruscant, waste problems, etc.
     
  6. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    But you forget that even with the massive influx, there is outgoing...there is also mass extinction of almost anything "native" to Coruscant.

    And for the massive number of sentients...they are nothing in comparison to the planet itself...it's like a single cell on a fly on a elephants butt...does that buckle the elephant? Would the cells of even 1000 flies (billions of cells)effect the elephant...even annoy it?
     
  7. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Add in their carbon monoxide, remove their oxygen, waste production, etc.


    And what is with your comparison to the elephant? --- Proof?
     
  8. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    All of which is compensated for.

    No location in fiction has been better described to us in terms of essential city services...from water to waste management...from CO2 scrubber plants to air transit coordination.

    Coruscant cannot be looked upon like a natural world habitat...the planet is essentially dead and only supports life on it's surface by massive efforts by it's citizenry who feel it's worth the enormous cost.

    Coruscant is not self-supporting...but that doesn't mean it's impossible...just that it's continuation (and more over, it's continual reconstruction) is improbably expensive.

    P.S. And my pardon...for the elephant to be analogous to a world, an individual would be more like an atom in a cell in fly on an elephants back. It's an analogy...if you would like to scale an elephants butt against a planets surface area and get results to disprove a general analogy...I will gladdy go over your notes.;)
     
  9. Sinrebirth

    Sinrebirth Mod-Emperor of the EUC, Lit, RPF and SWC star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    I recall there were some lifeforms that mass-produce oxygen and take in large amounts of deadly gases for the Coruscanti, per Enemy Lines.
     
  10. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Er, what?
     
  11. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    Hyd:

    How could it exist? The atmospheric pollution? The atmospheric density of all of the traffic? The massive reconstructure that would need to be done, DAILY, in order for the buildings NOT to collapse.

    I could literally sit here and probably spend hours listing the thousands of ways that Coruscant defies our laws.
     
  12. Thrawn McEwok

    Thrawn McEwok Co-Author: Essential Guide to Warfare star 6 VIP

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    I don't know about the pollution and the trash, but I bet they hold up the weight of the buildings and the people in them with repulsors, rather than with structural girders resting on the surface.

    I'd also imagine that a lot of these will be multiple-redundant and have self-contained power sources, so that they continued functioning during the Imperial Civil War and the Yuuzhan Vong invasion.

    Others... didn't, at least during the truly planet-wide devastation of the Yuuzhan Vong occupation; but this was when the Yuuzhan Vong were engaging in truly massive reorganization of the entire Coruscant system, and the massively powerful and incredibly sensitive dovin basals that could reorganize planetary orbits and preserve Coruscant from the destabilizing effects of its moons being smashed and rearranged probably also served as an adequate means of cushioning "Yuuzhan'tar" from the weight of the cityscape.

    It's only a fanboy retcon, but I think it works! :D

    - The Imperial Ewok
     
  13. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    What do pollution or lots of traffic have to do with laws of physics?

    And large buildings exist, you know. That's simply a matter of good engineering.
     
  14. PadmeA_Panties

    PadmeA_Panties Jedi Youngling star 4

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    ....buildings that go into the upper levels of the atmosphere, that are thousands of kilometers in the air (as opposed to our several kilometers)?
     
  15. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    Wait a sec, there actually ARE CO2 scrubber plants? Gimme a link, I have to see this for myself, I thought it was something that I made up.
     
  16. Lord_Hydronium

    Lord_Hydronium Manager Emeritus star 5 VIP - Former Mod/RSA

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    Er, a planet is "thousands of kilometers". Coruscant buildings are a few kilometers.
     
  17. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    The barking screaming endless males and more male Vong that's all you ever saw did nothing of the sort. They Constructiconed areas of the surface, true as the Rhapsody trilogy was a revolting read, but all their "terraforming" was over existing building surfaces.

    Not hard to remove. ;)
     
  18. Trip

    Trip Force Ghost star 4

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    from Enemy Lines II: Rebel Stand

    "The Complex," [Bhindi Drayson] continued, "all its various substations put together, is a sort of worldwide air-scrubber. Quite a while back, once Coruscant's leaders built over the last forested regions, the planet lacked sufficient natural resources to manage the atmospheric pollutants produced by the world's industrialized species. The government had that covered, though, in building a series of very efficient facilities that converted carbon dioxide into oxygen, removed waste gases, that sort of thing. That 'red goo' several stories up doesn't just act as a devourer tank. It's a variant of the devourer organism, especially engineered for high-efficiency conversion of carbon dioxide to oxygen. It functions with the same efficiency as several thousand square kilometers of tract forest. And there are hundreds of similar substations all over Coruscant. Well, there were. Some may be damaged or destroyed now, but most were built at bedrock level. Lots of them could have survived so far."[hr][/blockquote]
     
  19. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    Here's one

    I think there have been some other things as well.

    I believe in some of the earliest books that got into the depths of Coruscant it was indicated that lower level structures...often in less use over time because of the less desirable level, would be structurally reinforced, cutting down dramatically on the usable space, but providing structural support for towers to climb above...thus why we see such an even "surface" of stuctures over the surface...most having been designed to support towers rising off the top.

    Can you imagine owning one of the those lower building and getting an offer from some mega company to build a tower on top of your property? Not only would you be wealthy beyond measure, but your property value skyrockets just on being the towers basement!.

    Now additionally we know that collapsed buildings in the lower levels were typical, and repulsors were a stop gap in support...but I don't think repulsors were a standard support method in most traditional structures.

    Consider the "tree" support method for towers...rather then driving straight down into rock, imagine a network of "roots" threading through old buildings and canyons...securing in literally hundreds of anchor points which distributes the weight over several square miles, rather then straight down to rock.

    My guess is only the most "strategic" of structures were built to bedrock.
     
  20. Katana_Geldar

    Katana_Geldar Jedi Grand Master star 8

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    I remember it now, Trip, Lukey takes a dip in the goo and says "I am not food" to it but it east his clothes.

    But would people own whole buildings, Jedi Marine? Or would they own only sections of these buildings?
     
  21. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    If we assume any sort of capitalistic basis for Coruscant's economy and growth, I'd say ownership runs the gambit.

    From owning a flat, to a building...Lando owned an entire community district, didn't he?

    Probably much as it is on earth today, a new building tends to have one initial owner...then overtime if singular ownership can't be sold, a building may be broken up into associate ownership under some management concern. I would bet on business principles, you would want to own a building just long enough to sell off to someone building over you, and then either move on to a similar real estate property or get out of the business...you likely did NOT want to be in the business of landlord for a building being buried in the landscape for very long, even with a hot new address.
     
  22. Excellence

    Excellence Jedi Knight star 7

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    A trillion, from Maul's book, PadmeA.
     
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