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Full Series Darth Maul in Star Wars Rebels

Discussion in 'Star Wars TV- Completed Shows' started by StarWarsFan91, May 22, 2013.

  1. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    He also died knowing that he would be avenged.
     
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  2. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    I also found it interesting that Maul's walking cane/lightsaber was basically a shepard's crook - an ancient Egyptian pharaonic authority symbol going back to Osiris god of the dead, underworld, the afterlife and of transition, resurrection, and regeneration .

    The crook is a symbol that represents a ruler and shepard who is formidably tempered with might. Maul ruling over Malachor which is a sorta Egyptian( and Stygian out of R.E. Howard alternate world Egypt) inspired culture and planet . Maul also acted like Virgil(who was a pagan and sinner and Maul a Sith) shepherding & guiding Ezra as Dante, through the inferno. Maul has piety of the classical kind(reverence toward the gods(Dark Side) and familial dutifulness(Savage/and Mother), he represents to a great extent classicism and paganism much like Virgil and his story of Aeneas that inspired Dante while Ezra basically Christianity that still is inspired from the Pagans of before - basically the old and new.

    Interestingly Aeneas was likened to Vidar the Norse god of vengeance and slayer of the wolf Fenrir(Mortis wolf?)
     
  3. Sannom

    Sannom Jedi Master star 3

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  4. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    That's a good essay, but it glorifies Satine far too much. The Duchess was a naive utopianist whose pacifist philosophy failed her entire world. Satine is a stubborn idealist who refuses to change with the times and loses her planet to her enemies and is executed in her own throne room in front of the man who she loved.
     
  5. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    Hopefully a new Maul comic arrives soon.
     
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  6. SyndicThrass

    SyndicThrass Force Ghost star 5

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    A novel wouldn’t go astray.
     
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  7. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    IMO, after Maul killed Satine he really had nothing left to lose in going up against Obi-Wan again. Whether or not you approved of her politics, you have to agree that her relationship with Obi-Wan was far more important to the relevance of the story than anything else. TCW did a fine job building her character up through multiple arcs which culminated in the "Lawless" episode. I'd never been an overly huge fan of Sidious to the level of some people; but when watching him toy with Maul like a rag doll at the end of that episode put a huge grin on my face. Easily my favorite non-Ahsoka episode of the series.
     
  8. Sannom

    Sannom Jedi Master star 3

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    Your Mileage May Vary, I guess, but as far as their point on Obi-Wan is concerned, I think they're right on the money. I had noticed that there was a clear change in Obi-Wan's behavior when Satine was around (he only went easy on Pre Viszla because she was there), but I somehow failed to realize how his attempts to reason with Maul only came out when she was around. It's a nice amount of irony that the person Maul slew to plunge Obi-Wan into despair is the reason why Obi-Wan chose to give him some hope in the end.

    Also, Pre Viszla and Bo Katan failed their entire world when they accepted Maul's help in order to restore a brutal order of warmongers on their people. Satine also holds the dubious honor of being that one snag that Sidious didn't quite know how to deal with in a decisive manner (it's a good thing his former apprentice came back from the dead to solve that problem for him), hence why Mandalore ended up isolated and completely cut off from the Republic's trade routes. That lady had no idea that she went up against such near-insurmountable odds, and all in all, she handled herself quite well. Maul just had to come and mess everything up by propping up those useless Mandalorians again.
     
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  9. Ahsoka's Tano

    Ahsoka's Tano Force Ghost star 7

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    Satine's devotion into keeping Mandalore pacifist and neutral opened its doors for Maul and Death Watch to lay unchallenged siege on it. If she backed the Republic, the Jedi and Clone army would be already be there to protect the citizens from an invasion. If the Confederacy represented Mandalore, we wouldn't be talking about Maul and Death Watch at all. She sure had a heck of a lot riding on her shoulders.
     
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  10. Sannom

    Sannom Jedi Master star 3

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    Satine remaining out of the war is what kept the Death Watch out of Mandalore, that was the whole point of the Mandalorian arc in season 2. It's only through dumb luck that the Death Watch stumbled upon people smart and powerful enough to give them Mandalore.
     
  11. Darth_Accipiter

    Darth_Accipiter Force Ghost star 6

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    The New Mandalorian policy of neutrality and pacifism was unsustainable. The society had begun to rot from within due to corruption that stemmed from the good intention of keeping the people fed. Satine tried to root out that corruption but only ended up making things worse. Maul's takeover and Almec's puppet regime was reactionary. The people's support turned from Satine's pacifism to Pre Vizsla's militarism, which was adopted by Almec. Maul's Shadow Collective became the lifeline of Mandalore behind the scenes until the Republic intervened during the Siege of Mandalore. After that, of course, Mandalore had the security of The Empire.
     
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  12. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    SOD left off that Maul and Rook Kast would basically go after the Pykes and Black Sun for their cowardice and betrayal. Its is highly likely Maul easily reclaimed the Underworld after controlling Mandalore has access to those 2,000 neutral systems mentioned. He could easily have formed plans within plans. Mandalore was more or less always a front for him, he ruled as a shadow boss which was typical Sith fashion . Maul is just applying his training to easily subvert, conquer and dominate kingdoms by brawn and brain, he's a lot like Sidious.
     
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  13. Vialco

    Vialco Force Ghost star 5

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    That doesn't change the fact that Satine was helpless against the Shadow Collective. She wasn't able to stop them. The Duchess of Mandalore failed her people.
     
  14. Meeko Ghintee

    Meeko Ghintee Jedi Master star 3

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    I put the below in spoiler tags as it involve Maul in some other Star Wars media (mods delete if not okay here)
    I found it somewhat odd to see Maul in such a prominent position in Solo. In Rebels he seemed more down on his luck (again), tactically eking out an existence in the shadows so he can gain a super-weapon to strike back. I assumed he had been hiding out on Malachor for quite a while. He tells Qi'ra to meet him on Dathomir, but in Rebels Dathomir seems much the torn-up wreck it was post-CIS invasion in the Clone Wars as opposed to the headquarters of a powerful crime lord. I hope future media bridges this gap. Especially the part about Crimson Dawn working with the Empire. (Did Palpatine forgive Maul? View him as a replacement for Vader? Does he not know about Crimson Dawn's leader?) If nothing else, would be an interesting story (and man it would be cool to see Vader vs. Maul).
     
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  15. Darkslayer

    Darkslayer Hater of Mace Windu star 7

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    Maul did say he was unable to take Vader alone in Rebels. I think that implies they fought at some point.
     
  16. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    And, heck, he did! :D
    Did Ron Howard read my posting? I could't believe it, while sitting in the movie theatre yesterday. And Dathomir is canon now too.

    I am anticipating strongly, that Qi'ra is going to betray Maul too, causing another downfall in his turmoiled life, the last before Malachor.
     
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  17. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    Maul when he first pops in Rebels seems very down on his luck, very broken and, as revealed by the end of the episode, very crazy. It's a deliberate difference from the Maul we see in TCW which, after he gets over his initial spider-leged craziness, he's pretty cool, calm and takes control of Mandalore and goes up against the criminal empire. Son of Dathomir proceeds to strip this away from him but this is a guy who can lead a whole lot of people.

    which makes sense he pops up in Solo, he has control of another criminal enterprise. So it means that whenever he got dumped on Malachor, he lost everything which left him the crazy, embittered guy Ezra found. Of course, people love to use Maul so I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that Maul was left on Malachor about 30 minutes before Ezra found him. Maybe he was just playing the Old Man just to screw with the kid.
     
  18. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    @BigAl6ft6,

    When it will not even be the Obi-Wan movie giving us the missing link.
    Maul's popping up in Solo cries for an explanation for what happened between Solo and Malachor. I don't think that Holo scene is the last thing we saw of Ray Park in this regard.
    Maybe Kenobi was not all the time at Tatooine those years as much as Maul didn't starve at Malachor in oblivion that time. And that's why Maul wants revenge again after he got his initial revenge at Sundari by killing Satine.
     
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  19. Vorax

    Vorax Force Ghost star 5

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    I love the fact that despite all the adversity Maul constantly battles on as a renegade killing machine. Despite being essentially excommunicated, hated and hunted by the Sith Emperor, having long since turned from the Emperor's favor he still dominates & carves his own bloody path through the age of the Empire - he forms the Crimson Dawn and controls the 5 Syndicates. His skin is the color of crimson and he carries the crimson saber.;)
     
  20. Mother_Talzin

    Mother_Talzin Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm glad we got a hint of that in Solo, because he was boiled down to madness in Rebels. I still feel CW is the best we'll ever see of Maul, though we could see him in another movie - hopefully not more Solo though. They could toss Maul and Qi'ra into another anthology movie, and hopefully make it a bit more interesting this time, perhaps introducing Inquisitors.
     
  21. MrDarth0

    MrDarth0 Jedi Master star 4

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    Maul could work as a "connection" between various underworld stand alone movies set in the Dark Times period. He could appear in the rumoured Boba Fett movie, he could have a cameo in potential Lando movie, etc.

    But I would love if they would show us Vader vs. Maul on the big screen in one of the stand alone movies, which could also explain why he lost his power and ended up stranded on Malachor...
     
  22. Grievousdude

    Grievousdude Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    So I've been wondering with Maul being put back into the spotlight recently, how did Maul know about the prophecy of the Chosen One? I've always been under the impression that Sidious himself only found out about it after Anakin started his Jedi training so how would Maul have known about it?
     
  23. Grievpalpy75

    Grievpalpy75 Jedi Knight star 2

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    It's a prophecy among many Force-using groups. It's not exclusive to the Jedi.
     
  24. Sudooku

    Sudooku Jedi Master star 4

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    When Qui-Gon did say on Tatooine, that Anakin is the chosen one, It spread about the whole galaxy. In the Darth Plagueis-novel this is called even a legend believed galaxiswide to become true finally. Maul did know that Obi-Wan was prompted to the rank of a Jedi-master. I guess he found out everything, he could get about his arch-foe. And of course he wanted to get information about Obi-Wan's padawan as well. ;) Savage would have told him before, because he knew them both.
     
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  25. Fallen Jedi Master

    Fallen Jedi Master Jedi Master star 4

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    When he first appeared in rebels i knew he most likely wasn't on Malachor for 20 years and solo proved my theory.