Full Series Darth Maul: Son of Dathomir

Am i the only one that thinks luke looks Like **** in this comic.

 

The Zabraks have tats, can't argue with that evidence. Take note that the Togrutas and Twi'lek also have similar tats. Its definitely a question for the author and/or artist, and an authority (Story Group member).

 

I would say more along the lines being that Dathomirian Zabraks being completely bald and with black tats than dark brown I guess. But yeah, I wouldnt place bets on it as its so damn generic, but it is an interesting possibility none the less. * Sugi is more an enigma, with her purple hair, and tats between Dathomiri style and Iridonia(Koth and Kolar).

 

They always were darker in skin tones then the Irodianans.

 

Have no, idea. Sugi is a peach color while Kolar is a dark brown while Koth was a lighter medium brown, they didnt look to have altered the actors natural skins much. Dathomiri Zabrak are all hairless apparently and given yellow, or a red-orange/orange color, Maul is the only unique red skin one among them. The females end up human with flat white skin and apparently no horns, unless they practice infanticide and only keep females without the horns for whatever their reason.

 

Weren't the Witches supposed to be mostly half-humans, rather than "full Zabrak"?

 

Yeah, Dathomiri are hybrids between humans and Zabrak, which means since Talzin is Maul's mother, he is part human. Any Nightbrother born to a Nightsister would have some human DNA. The EU tells us that some Nightsisters could have Zabrak horns, but they weren't shown in the CW series.

 

I don't know what Talzin is, but she's not human - not anymore if she ever was. Human-like perhaps more accurate. If she was human its been lost long ago, and her body and lifeforce is made up of her magiks. She was able to somehow turn her midiclorians into the force itself , so her blood and flesh become formless with the ability to regenerate . Plagueis didnt seem alone in playing with the genetic aspects of the force if you ask me. Maul was flesh and blood though, Talzin was green mist.

Interesting older interview with Filoni:

http://dustin.stg.www.ign.com/artic...he-clone-wars-looking-back-at-season-4?page=5

 

At one point, Talzin was near-human, perhaps when she gave birth to Maul. She has certainly changed though, and likely lost her humanity in the process. Its debatable whether she maintained her flesh & blood when we were first introduced to her. Being able to move between the physical and spirit realms doesn't necessarily mean she is pure ichor though. After SOD, she is pure spirit ichor / Force energy though, as her body was 'killed'. I wonder if she became pregnant by conventional means, or if she manipulated the midichlorians to create Maul...

 

As hard as it is to contemplate, I think one of the intentions of SOD was to suggest that Palpatine was Maul's... Father. (Shudder)

Maul is her son and Talzin is angry at Palpatine for abandoning her. The interactions between the two of them suggested heavily to me that they had once been in a relationship.

Also, in TCW Talzin says that Palpatine stole Maul from her, but in Darth Palgueis (Legends now, but whatever) Talzin gives Maul to Palpatine. I think the Plagueis telling could be a lie that Palpatine used as an excuse for where Maul came from.

I know this theory is rather unlikeable, but the evidence is there. Make of it what you will.

 

Talzin never gave Maul to Sidious in any continuity. In Legends, Maul and Savage were the sons of a Nightsister named Kycina, and she gave up Maul to the Sith to keep him from being raised as a Nightbrother. Later Talzin attempts to retrieve Maul, she fails but she manages to procure a bit of his blood and places it in the Talisman of Finding which Savage later uses.

 

Talzin was alerted to Maul being abandoned under false pretenses by a scheming Mandalorian merc teacher at the academy, and so she went to retrieve him fearing Sidious betrayed whatever arrangement they had. Upon learning that Sidious had not abandoned Maul as she was falsely led to believe, she and her company of sisters simply left . Both Sidious and Talzin apparently agreed it was all a big misunderstanding caused by outsider looking for personal gain. She was allowed to leave without any retribution or reprisals from Sidious. It is left sorta up in their air whether this was all a orchestrated test of Maul's mettle and loyalty by Sidious as Maul partly was guessing as he in the end chose not leave with Talzin - but he did aid her when she was wounded. This also supports Talzin bringing Maul back to take his place at Sidious' side, rather than being brought back to kill him initially. Only when Sidious truly abandoned her son and attempting to kill him for being a rival to his power and meddling in his grand plan, did she ally herself directly with Maul by aiding in his rescue and crusade against Sidious. It was clear Sidious betrayed them both.

My guess Talzin ordered Ventress to be taken off Dathomir in fearing the same fate would be in store for her if she remained there as to what occurred with Maul. It is never explained why Ventress was handed over to a pirate as a baby, that explaination could explain things, and if was the case, didnt work out well. Talzin alone combined with her army of nightsisters wouldve stopped any pre-Clone Wars army, especially pirates. It is unclear whether Filoni/Lucas intended for Maul to be kidnapped by Sidious or if Talzin handed Maul over out've some kinda deal she made with Sidious. SOD makes out like Sidious and Talzin were partners and allies, but he never considered her as ally or friend like she apparently did, once he saw Maul or became of age or whatever he set his sights on the child and chose him to be his apprentice. Kenobi would have no sure way of knowing, but during the episode he does say to Maul that the darkside was chosen for him by the Nightsisters, as they are dominant, so that means he was handed over to the Sith Master and it was not his choice but the path that was chosen for him by them. So Talzin also seems apparently responsible in abandoning her motherly duty early on by willingly or unwillingly allowing her son to be raised by a Dark Lord of the Sith - she apparently tries to make up for it but the storyline is still odd cause it revolved around Ventress originally then shifted to Opress. If Opress was an unworthy apprentice, it would imply he was expendable to both Talzin and perhaps Maul as she left Opress with him to basically do as he pleased. Maul in the end chose Opress and not Sidious, as there was a strong bond between the two brothers which is very un-Sith like and a semblance of humanity that was driven from him by Sidious. It is a similar parrelle to when Vader chooses his son over Sidious. But if Talzin really wanted to originally oppose Sidious it wouldve been her that went searching for Maul(like in the EU story) and she wouldve been a superior worthy ally, rather than Opress. So it doent appear to me that Talzin or Maul originally planned on killing Sidious either independently or together. Talzin was only interesting in killing Dooku, and Maul wouldve killed Dooku for her and took his place again by Sidious's side and that wouldve reforged the old alliance between her and Sidious I guess in her mind.

 

I think the explanation for why Sidious took Maul as an apprentice instead of Talzin, is because she was already his equal in knowledge and power. She would be difficult to manipulate, unlike a child. She'd be an instant threat to Sidious, because she could have trained Maul herself and unseated Sidious. Darth Sidious likes to preserve his power - Talzin represents an element that can / has made that power unstable.

 

When pirates could even take Count Dooku hostage, they are also capable of blackmailing Talzin with something precious to her.

Actually the comics and TCW let so many things open. And the SOD-Comic is so dense in information. I find it very difficult to follow a story mainly based on dialogues and action-pics. If we can't have now the SoD-arc on screen, I would prefer at least a broad-scale novel about Son of Dathomir instead, dotted with the comic pictures we know. Sorry, I'm just dreaming.

 

I know what you're saying, however Talzin has both the Nightsisters and Nightbrothers, Daka and herself's own darkside magiks and Talzin is a skilled combatant even in hand to hand fighting. Plus the army of the dead as reinforcement disposal. What pirate would or could honestly be able to stand against a Nightsister, and they had range weapons like energy bows or couldve imported blasters and other weaponry as they had access to transport ships and used speeders, so they were not without technology. And am sure had the resources legal and illegal to obtain weapons if they wanted. While I do think Filoni and Lucas wanted to replicate Caesar's capture by Cilician pirates, its a bad comparison as Dooku is not a regular human. Pirates capturing Count Dooku, namely how he just walks nonchalantly right into their camp when he had the element of surprise and his Sith training (plus years of Jedi mastery and combat and force skill beyond almost anyone) was always something that annoyed fans about TCW show, it is a weak point.

 

Vorax, Is there any source about Dooku's Sith Training ? I highly doubt that both Dooku and Vader are trained by Sidious when they become apprentices.

 

He had since the end of TPM if not earlier to be learning the ways of the darkside through Sith teachings of his new Dark Lord of the Sith master, and seemed he was still learning when Sidious called upon him to also cast his lightning into the well for an ancient Sith sorcery spell to attack Yoda. What they dont show is implied. as he's a apprentice and his new power is Sith Force Lightning and likely another is able to call upon youthful stamina , durability and endurance(seem it wore out in his duel with Anakin in ROTS and he seemed tired after fighting Anakin in AOTC) - Sidious was able to pull it off for a longer time in ROTS and his duel in Lawless(where he also appeared to have been getting tired). Neither Jinn nor old Kenobi showed the range of agility at advanced age as either Tyranus and Sidious so far only old Jedi able to near match or out match them was Yoda.

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Count Dooku [after firing Force lighting]: As you can see, my Jedi powers are far beyond yours. Now, back down.

Yoda: Powerful you have become Dooku, the dark side I sense in you.
Count Dooku: I have become more powerful than any Jedi. Even you.
[Dooku shoots Sith lighting at Yoda who effortlessly deflects it away]
Yoda: Much to learn, you still have.
Count Dooku: It is obvious that this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force... but by our skills with a lightsaber.
Yoda: Fought well you have, my old Padawan
Count Dooku: This is just the beginnig!

 

Talzin could have taken out the pirates, and with an army of Nightsisters and Nightbrothers, even a group of them wouldn't stand a chance. Perhaps she allowed Ventress to be taken, so as to shape her for the destiny she foresaw. It would have been nice if the series explained it though.

 

Vorax

Well, I think Force lightning can be learned by himself, as Plo Koon unknowingly did once and Joruus C'baoth was using force lightning without Sith training, also Nightsister Mighella was using it as well, with Dooku's great experience as a Jedi Master over 30 or even 40 years it is very natural that he could use Force lightning. I don't think it is related to being a Sith.

 

Thats is EU, thus far only in Lucas own live action and current only, canon, are the darkside beings are able to cast lightning(this was true for The Son and even Talzin). And Dooku is an apprentice, there is no debating any of that as its self explanatory bud.

 

On another note, I just had a bit of an epiphany when I was mulling over some of the dialogue in Son of Dathomir after watching the Yoda Arc this morning. I started thinking about how it was odd that in the Yoda arc they were talking about how Dooku was the Sith Apprentice, yet in SOD Mace states that Dooku is most likely the Master and Maul his Apprentice. That's when it hit me: who is he talking to when he says this? Palpatine. And who does Mace and the Jedi not trust at this point? That's right, Palpatine. I think in that instance, Mace told Palpatine, and by extension, the senate, what they wanted to hear, so that they could continue to investigate the Sith in secret without politicians breathing down their neck about the fact that there are three Sith lords/Sith-wannabes running around the galaxy wreaking havoc.

 

Mace says two things in ROTS(just months after SOD I guess) which can back that:

Mace Windu: I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi. The Dark Side of the Force surrounds the Chancellor.

Mace Windu: Then our worst fears have been realized. We must move quickly if the Jedi Order is to survive.

But Yoda in ROTS doesnt really come off as the Yoda in TCW, especially following his 6th season arc, where even the Jedi Council(Mace and Mundi included) suspected Yoda himself was being influenced or corrupted by the Sith. And they leave the impression they secretly blamed him for Dooku's fall.

 

I recently contacted Mr Barlow, and he confirms that the magicksaber was in the episode screenplay and was used by Maul to battle Sidious and Dooku pretty much like how he used the Darksaber in the comic. It was an unfortunate cut due to the sequence of Talzin conjuring up this double-bladed fire weapon for Maul would've taken more space than they had available and it did not really change any aspect of the battle anyway so he made the decision to cut it and stick with just the Darksaber. The cover art was made before he finished the comic script which explains the discrepancy of why its on the cover but not the inside. I didnt want to bombard him with a half dozen questions, so I just stuck with the one that most interested me personally which was the Talzin saber. He's a cool guy & surely a fan of the character like a lot of us are.

 

I really wish we could have seen this in animated form. Well, hopefully Maul pops up again somehow in either Rebels or a spinoff.

 

Sidious is also wearing an all black cloak on the cover of issue 4. They could have dealt with the magicksaber in a couple frames. This story really could have used at least one more issue! I want a trade paperback special edition!