Full Series Darth Maul's Fate

It seems like the Sith always end up rebelling against their father, their creator. If you desire total control, total power, over your own destiny, then the master will always present an obstacle.

 

Exactly. And all masters know the inevitable will come eventually. That is how the Sith legacy was carried on, through their own innate desire for power.

 

Well, that is exactly what the rule of two is supposed to do - once you're good enough to BE the Master, you have to earn the title - that means offing the boss and getting an apprentice of your own. Even non-Baneian/Baneite/Baneish (??) Sith are by their very nature power hungry and greedy, they want supreme control and that day that everyone has where you wish you could just kill your boss and take his job? Yeah, lightsabers mean you totally could.

 

http://www.starwars.com/news/the-quotable-clone-wars-panel-report-from-san-diego-comic-con

 

The Force is not fire. It cannot be passed from one user's lit torch to another's and another's, until an entire hemisphere is illuminated with a blaze of a million lights. This is what Kaan foolishly believed, and all Sith Lords before him for the past thousand years. It is why the once mighty Sith fell apart long before the defeat at Ruusan. When all carry a flame, no matter how dim and guttering it may be, they soon conclude they are the brightest stars, around which all others must orbit. Infighting follows.

No, the Force is venom. if it is poured into many cups, it loses it's potency until it becomes so diluted it is merely an irritant. Yet pour those cups back into a single vessel and you will have the power to stop a Krayt dragon's heart.

 

Maul was potentially very interesting because for a while he was the only Sith we'd seen who was genuinely loyal to his Master (Sidious) and had no intention of betraying/overthrowing him at all - he just wanted to kill him some Jedi. Then his character was sent down a different track when he was retooled as basically Obi-Wan's personal nemesis (and vice versa) and that cycle of revenge took him away from being recognisably Sith at all and basically just a force powered crime lord - interesting if that's your thing (it's not mine honestly) but the whole sins of the father aspects of Sithdom took a back seat.

 

It may have to do with his training from childhood and the things that Palpatine put him through. Maul experienced some immense pain and as we see in the Clone Wars, he still fears his Master.

Perhaps just not a worthy apprentice, or perhaps Palpatine withheld some of his knowledge.

 

The Sith conditioning is fear of the Master, Vader and Dooku also had it. By SOD Maul no longer fears Sidious as he's free from that servant/slave conditioning.

 

Conditioning? You mean like in "brainwashing"? Nah, these are adult beings we are talking about, the master will have to use more subtle methods to bind his apprentice(s) to him.

That's why Sidious was so fatherly towards Anakin, it was his method to bind the young man, who was seeking approval so desperately, to him.

The ROT is unfortunately a pile of bantha poodoo. If the master dies before the time is right, the whole survival of the Sith order is in jeopardy. Because the masters are aware of the failings of the rule, we see so many pseudo-Sith like the Inquisitors or assassins.

 

I wouldn't say he no longer fears Sidious at all (he knows full well Sidious could hand him his spiky tattooed backside on a platter without great effort) but it's not in the sense you fear a teacher/mentor's disapproval on an emotional basis - as you say he's broken out of the master/apprentice mindset, he's an independent agent in his own mind. Which as I say is potentially quite interesting as he's basically foresworn the Sith path entirely (he wasn't ever going to kill Savage, nor the other way around, and probably wouldn't have bothered with more apprentices) but in the end it was all about Maul vs Obi-Wan til it got tied up with a Sidious Ex Machina and the series ending abruptly.

 

They made Sidious' victory too easy. Maul is an exceptional swordmaster and I think the duel should have gone more in the direction of Sidious vs. Mace Windu.

 

Darth Maul knew he couldn't combat Sidious. He knew he would have to grow in the shadows.

But I don't think he disregarded the Sith path entirely. He still had that desire for power driving him.

 

In SOD of Maul simply does no longer fears Sidious, that part of his life over at the end of Lawless where even Maul held the distinction as one of the few beings that that could duel Sidious , that is more than can be said for Dooku or Vader. Sidious is the head Sith anyway, and in the OT so of course he was gonna come out the winner for those reasons alone plus he's still young and has much more to learn. Even while Maul was still captured inS OD #1 he defied Sidious to his face, Maul would not bend or break under torture. Slave conditioning can be accomplished by various means(children of the Force Sidious was ready to prep those kids for surgery it would not be unreasonable to presume Maul himself may of been altered in such a similar manner either) and through torture(mental and physical as was shown in the early comics and novels) and brain washing & through indoctrination where Sidious presents and projects a specific image of himself. Vader is trapped in his life support suit by Sidious, not a lot he can do, he was on a tight leash even under command of Tarkin. Guys like Dooku and like Vader were controlled and manipulated by Sidious, they're in a constant state of awe and in fear him and the powers they believe he posses and would one day bestow upon them.

So, grown men and women followed Hitler. There was a study done post WWII to test people's blind obedience to authority figures. The conclusion: That human beings will do what they're told if they think/believe the person telling them has some authority on the issue, regardless of whether that is a fact or not:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milgram_experiment



Anakin was manipulated and brainwashed by his peer Palpatine since he was a little boy, he was already being groomed to be his next apprentice. With Dooku, he basically worshipped Sidious as all powerful(this also shown in SOD) - his character is not unlike Peter Jackson's version of Saruman the dumbfounded and in amazement servant of the Dark Lord as was thus easily corrupted and controlled. Maul as a former apprentice, knew that someone like Dooku who lives in fear of the master, would not be brave enough betray him and uses Dooku to lure out Sidious. Now its Vader's turn to be under Sidious's boot heel which Vader only breaks those chains at the very end before Sidious kills Luke.

 

But maul was about Anakins age when taken by sidious
So Sidious did not have to be subtle.

 

True, Maul was a child when he was taken by Sidious.

They were manipulated, yes, but brainwashed? Brainwashing doesn't really exist, anyone who was "conditioned" quickly loses that conditioning once they are freed. It is more compliance, a survival strategy. And even getting this far requires holding the subject prisoner and putting them under various stresses. Nothing of that sort ever happened to the adult apprentices.

It was by their own decisions that they followed Palpatine. They saw all the evil he did and still stuck around. Palpatine was simply very good at seeing the vices and desires of his apprentices and played his cards well so that the apprentices thought they were on the same page.

 

Just a random question: Do you think Maul will ever have his revenge on Sidious for killing Savage?


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I imagine he could either kill Sly Moore or, far worse for Sidious, win her over as a new ally. Winning her over as an ally would be much cooler because the pre-Naboo-Maul once found her and locked her in a cave, brought her some food, till Sidious "found" and freed her. Maybe she realized in the meantime that Maul did all this on Sidious' behest. In AoTC and RotS she was such a staunch ally of Sidious and many people think that she was one of the few people, Sidious really cared for. Maybe some doubts about her master were growing meantime. Thus she and Maul could team up as a new worthy Sith-team, creating another Shadow-Empire (taking over Umbara?)

 

After SOD, he is still hungry for revenge - considering what happened to Savage, Talzin, and Dathomir. I'd like to see Maul unleash his rage on Sidious in Starkiller fashion. I'd like some Sith or Nightsister lightening, and have the tables be turned, where Sidious is begging for mercy.

 

I heard the idea of him becoming the Grand Inquisitor awhile back. I think that would be cool.

 

But why work for sidious he has killed his mother and brother.

 

When he failes to find worthy allies what should he do? Sidious is running out of staff. Maul can use that to determine his conditions of taking over the new Grand inquisitor's job. I guess Sidious has many inquisitors. One for each of the important sectors in the galaxy. But when Maul really becomes Grand Inquisitor, then it is only a question of time, that he is killed off by some fugitive jedi in "Rebels". Redemption, as some people insinuated, goes a far different way.

 

Have they talked about Maul at Celebration?

 

Nope.

Closest thing that I think was said was Ray Park would be interested in a spinoff film if it were made.

But no one asked Filoni about it, and for that I am very disappointed.

If he goes to SDCC, NYCC, or Dragoncon this year, somebody's gotta step it up.

 

SOD was mentioned in passing and they released the concept art piece for Maul's red-painted gauntlet command fighter which was not included in the SOD concept art gallery over on the website from last year - and I think they re-showed the red cross republic ship from that panel. Aside from that and Park, nada.

 

If he wasn't mentioned, perhaps that means something important is being kept secret. We now have updates on most of the important CW characters fans were curious about, like Ventress, Ahsoka, Rex, Hondo, etc. Maul is the biggest character yet to have his story fleshed out after the comic series, so my hope is that they are staying tight-lipped because they have something in development for him.

 

I'll say it again... the fact that they completely ignored mentioning the Mandalore Bo Katan/Ahsoka/Maul arc during the "Untold Clone Wars" panel is quite telling. They mentioned basically every other arc we knew about plus the others to fill in the gaps, but this is the only one that was left out, despite it containing four of those important final 12 Ahsoka episodes Filoni is holding on to. So my guess is that they are re-adapting this story to be told during the time period of Rebels, seen through Sabine's eyes. Ahsoka may return to Mandalore to work with Bo Katan again, and Maul may still be on the loose there. Or even running things on Mandalore for Sheev.