ST Darth Plagueis is Snoke? (Episode VIII & IX)

nope.

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The entire OT storyline in IV and V is based on spinning truths. Darth Vader killed your father....well what I said is true, from a certain point of view.

 

What I mean is when people who worked on the film say they don't even know who Plagueis is you have to question the theory. Also when the actor of the character says that the character is new then it makers you question it. but by all means have your fun.

 

Thank You, I will continue to have fun. That is the only reason I am here. The only time I remember anyone from the Production commenting on Plagueis, was Lawrence Kasdan's smart*** comment, "Darth Vegas?", to a fan at Comic Con. He avoided the question. Maybe I missed some other comment from another member of the Production though.

 

Although i have to give the theory credit on the score because it does sound oddly similar.

 

Every time I see that pic, I can't help but think of this:

 

Kylo and Hux gonna make it rain on Snoke or as he's called on stage... "Darth Magic Mike"

 

Is Snoke an interesting character in TFA? Not really, unfortunately. Given a back story his character could be much more fulfilling.

His name has interesting connotations, though. When snakes shed their skin they metamorphose into a new being. Outgrowing the previous state of being and moving into higher spiritual planes, which is wisdom. It is a transformative process. It's like the shedding of illusions and limitations.This ability is a symbol in Shamanism of death, rebirth and immortality. It definitely has the potential for being interesting.

Also, there is something to be said the conclusion of the ST using the internal logic from the previous narrative.

 

Or the urologist preparing happily for the examination

 

Sorry, Star Wars Fans, That Snoke Darth Plagueis Theory Has Been Debunked

 

And that's the end of it. Darth Plagueis theorizing is now officially dead. It's over. It's finally over! Nobody will ever speak of it again...............

 

It will be Darth Plagueis, everything else is misdirection. If I can't get Rey Skywalker, I want Darth Plagueis.

 

It hasn't been debunked in that link. Pablo has reiterated things we already know, encouraging people to draw inference from that.

Not only is the theory still alive, such tweets are actually implied encouragement for theorising, and not debunking at all.

 

That settles it for me. He had plenty of chances to leave room for interpretation and didn't bite on any of them. Notice that he didn't just say 'he DIED' which would leave room for him to be resurrected or reincarnated. He said 'he is DEAD.' He didn't even say 'yes' to the question 'Is he dead?' He chose those words himself.

Plagueis is dead. The only way Plagueis can be Snoke is if Snoke too is dead, and that's not a hologram, but a ghost, which I very, very seriously doubt.

 

Think about it....IF you wrote a story and everyone was guessing your surprise twist/character reveal how would you react Darth Vegas?

 

I'm pretty confident you'll get both

 

I interpret these tweets from Pablo as clear, unequivocal debunkings:

Of course, they could make Snoke a zombie Plagueis. But why? What possible purpose would that serve? I find that highly unlikely. Therefore, I declare this theory debunked. Please. Think of the children.

 

I'm pretty confident you won't get either.

 

If neither of those things are present, then this is shaping up to be a horrid and uncompelling sequel trilogy. Not entirely surprising though after what we saw with TFA.

Plus that article stating that "we don't need his backstory for him to be a good villain" is absolute bunk. Seriously, why care at all about this trilogy if we don't even get a good backstory on it's villain?! The Emperor looked and acted pretty cool in RotJ but he wasn't a great character (or all that compelling either) until we found out his backstory in the PT. This less is more approach really bugs me lately with Star Wars. Its like they don't realize that the biggest problem with the Marvel films is the lack of depth in its villains.

 

true

 

Or, you know, you could wait for the movies to come out and judge them on their merits instead of getting so caught up in your own head cannon that nothing would ever satisfy it.

 

Let me be clear; I'm not on the Plagueis bandwagon by any means. Let me ask you a question though. Look at those tweets you quote. Which of those gives us any information that we didn't already have from watching ROTS?

What the Plagueis theorists believe isn't neccesarily that Plagueis didn't die, but that death wasn't the end for him.

Note that Pablo only talks about what abilities he was "said" to have - not the abilities he actually had.

I'm not going out on a limb here and drawing ridiculous conclusions - again, I'm pretty sure that Vader is the glue tying the whole saga together, and Plagueis & Palpatine won't figure in any big way going forward. But. There is still nothing unequivocal - Pblo's tweets are reminding me of tweets from recently about someone else in a different thing who was subject to a lot of theorising. There are theories that get debunked, and they get debunked like this;

"yeah, I know there's a lot of theorising, but I can tell you now, you're barking up the wrong tree; Snoke ain't and never has been Plagueis"

And then you have the "not quite putting it to bed" debunks, that are intended (quite possibly, even quite likely to be from the point of view of maintaining an incorrect theory for the LOLs or for misdirection) to provoke discussion like we're having right now.

the only thing we can be sure of right now is that Pablo knows what Star Wars fans are like, and does have the ability to totally shut down the theory, but hasn't. I'm not clutching at straws because at this stage I'm totally disinterested; my intrigue is directed towards the Admiral in aftermath, not Plagueis. A logical, dispassionate analysis shows that Pablo hasn't answered the question, but has just restated what we know.

Edit; "zombie Plagueis" is pretty much something that the theory has always utilised, though not in those terms. The idea has always been either that Plagueis survived, or somehow cheated death.

Again, I'm honestly neutral on this, and I just want Snoke to be interesting. But the point that a living Plagueis would serve, in story terms is and always has been that it'd be a narratively sensible way to have a baddie who is more powerful than Palps without undermining him by making similar power appear out of nowhere around the time he got chucked down the Death Star

 

I saw one of the films already and hated it. So its not like I'm basing this on "nothing".

Also, I'm pretty sure those two things, however they played out, would satisfy me immensely. Considering that Plagueis is far and away my favorite character in any form of Star Wars media.

 

funny, this was repeatedly said to us criticizing Luke's supposed role in TFA, but it was disappointing in the end......

 

After TFA, it would UNsurprising if neither of those things were present. After TFA, we know Disney wants to stay as close to the OT as possible. That means the main hero = a Skywalker and another "I am your father" reveal.

Main hero = Rey Skywalker

Snoke telling Luke, or Rey, or whoever, that he is the father of the Skywalkers, Darth Plagueis, and that he created Anakin and therefore their entire family. Another "surprising" reveal (for most of the general audience).

It's the path of least resistance, which is why Disney is going to take it.