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Saga Darth Sidious: Ending the Mask vs Deformity Argument.

Discussion in 'Star Wars Saga In-Depth' started by Darth Formidious, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    He is trying in the movie as well;



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    Lightsaber doesn't need to look any dimmer imo, it doesn't look like dimmer when it cuts something.
     
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  2. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    This was probably brought up a few pages back but in the recent run of Star Wars comics a guy survived Force lighting by Palpatine and while it didn't immediately scar him, it like festered and became "infected" over time, which I thought was an interesting wrinkle that the corruption actually sunk in and then comes out later.
     
  3. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    It still leads me to think that it wasn't the lightning that deformed him. Especially since in The Rise of Skywalker he has a decaying version of his Chancellor Palpatine face instead of the deformed one. Once hes rejuvenated he has his sidious face back.
     
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  4. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    My take is that he both scarred himself with backfired lightening and drained himself trying to push back Mace Windu's lightsaber. The scarring is something that happened to him, but he didn't mind as much as he wanted people to think.

    Sidious lives in a wholly or partially cloned body in Episode IX. That is why he doesn't have all the facial scarring.
     
  5. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    Why does the facial scarring come back once he rejuvenates himself then.
     
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  6. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    I was able to find images on google of before and after being rejuvenated. You can clearly see after he has his old sidious look back where as before its clearly his chancellor face. The rejuvinated face is before Rey gets the second lightsaber so he has not been damaged at all.
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  7. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    His "scarred" face is likely not scarred at all, but the result of complete dark side corruption. Whether he's been using the Force to mask his true appearance or just waited for the opportune moment to unleash his full power, though, I have no idea.
     
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  8. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    Its definitely dark side corruption but we know that he didn't use the dark side for the first time in that fight against Mace Windu. He was clearly using a mask of some sort and let the mask go in order to manipulate Anakin into siding with him. He was feigning weakness in order to get Anakin to act out of desperation. He saw no purpose for the mask afterwards as his disfigured appearance supported his narrative that the Jedi had attempted to assassinate him.
     
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  9. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    to add to this,

    the mask theory would also indicate that lightning (yes, that 'unlimited power') is actually pretty limited...that is has no damage effect what-so-ever and has the voltage of 0.001 watts. If all it can do is cut through force masks so people can see someone's true corrupted self....then I don't know what to tell ya, I'll stay a Jedi thanks, at least then I get the possibility of living ever after as a force ghost.

    Edit: oh, well it can take down ships like X-Wings, but then has trouble against two lightsabers....so I guess it can do whatever it wants :p
     
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  10. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Sure, but what we don't know is whether or not he used his power to its full extent before then. "UNLIMITED POWER" might indicate that this is the first time he's giving one hundred percent.
     
  11. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    When he say unlimited power he already had his sidious face.
     
  12. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Yes......?
     
  13. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    Well now that we know the new palpatine in ROS was a clone yet when he was rejuvinated he had his ROTJ look it points to the fact that it wasn't the lightning that changed his appearance.
     
  14. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    perhaps he liked his ROTJ look and scarred himself again ;)

    not being serious.



    it makes little sense that this theory is anyway correct, and only spun from particular wording from the novelisation cuz Stover likes metaphors and flowery language.
    The proof is on screen folks. He was scarred, that much is crystal clear.
     
  15. Lulu Mars

    Lulu Mars Chosen One star 5

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    Where's the scar tissue, though? I just see deformity.
     
  16. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    [​IMG]
    We have an official photo from the promo material released for the upcoming digital release of Rise of Skywalker of his pre rejuvinated appearance. As you can see he has his Chancellor look but after he is rejuvinated he has his Sidious/Emperor look despite not having taken any lightning damage at that point which leads me to believe it was his true Appearance.
     
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  17. BigAl6ft6

    BigAl6ft6 Chosen One star 8

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    maybe he only sucked just enough Dyad life energy from Ben and Rey to get himself back to his "one true Emperor" stage which would be basically right after he threw Mace out the window. I mean it did also give him a change of clothes as well.

    As for his look in TROS, that's a deformed clone body so I wouldn't put much stock on it being representative of his for real face.
     
  18. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    Thats why I don't think he was deformed in that Mace Windu fight. I think it was just his true dark side appearance being revealed which he had been concealing. However the look supported the narrative that told the public so he saw no need to disguise himself anymore.
     
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  19. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    I submit this for the record as to why it wasn’t a mask

     
  20. Dandelo

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    [​IMG]

    :p
     
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  21. Fredrik Vallestrand

    Fredrik Vallestrand Force Ghost star 7

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    I think his deformed face, is due to his emence darkness and him being the devil his changed appearanced was his true face. he had this mask he hid behind.
     
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  22. cratylus

    cratylus Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    It doesn't look like the scarring returns to me. Clips are available. When I watch them, I don't see the scarring return. I think people sort of put this in in their memory.
     
  23. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    It definitely returns. None of the clips release officially yet show after he rejuvenates himself so I will have to wait until after they are out to post proof.
     
  24. dblaney1

    dblaney1 Jedi Knight

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    [​IMG]
    Found a promo image of him after being rejuvinated. As you can see he is scarred.
     
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  25. Dandelo

    Dandelo SW and Film Music Interview Host star 10 VIP - Game Host

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    I thought you were in favour of him not being scarred but it being his true appearance, I'm confused :p