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CT Did Vader feel regret, and sympathy for cutting Luke's hand off?

Discussion in 'Classic Trilogy' started by Jedi Master Rhys, Sep 19, 2016.

  1. VadersLaMent

    VadersLaMent Chosen One star 10

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    I anything, as Vader knows it's his child and that saber was his, it's like throwing another piece of his old self away.
     
  2. Darth Formidious

    Darth Formidious Jedi Master star 4

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    He wasn't, read the Marvel comic and you will see the monstrosity Vader was during this period. He was conflicted when first in his suit and in ROTJ, but during ANH through to ESB, he was ruthless.
     
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  3. Erkan12

    Erkan12 Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    What monstrosity of Vader has anything to do with what I said ? Vader turned into a monster when the moment he wear that suit, remember how he force crushed that medical droids.

    Vader was exactly the same in the marvel comics, remembering his past with Padme and Jedi council, and taking a lightsaber hit from a fodder such as Commander Karbin because of his emotions.
     
  4. Darth Formidious

    Darth Formidious Jedi Master star 4

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    He remembered Padme when he was unable to move in his suit, but he force chocked her and symbolically killed Anakin Skywalker. He truly was consumed by Darth Vader at this point.
     
  5. Jedi Knight Fett

    Jedi Knight Fett Chosen One star 10

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    At the time almost certainly not, but by ROTJ ya maybe.
     
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  6. ObiWanKnowsMe

    ObiWanKnowsMe Jedi Master star 4

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    No he didn't . Vader was not Anakin at that point and was willing to do anything to carry out his plan
     
  7. SateleNovelist11

    SateleNovelist11 Force Ghost star 6

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    Best answer.
     
  8. oncafar

    oncafar Force Ghost star 6

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    the sith teach lessons through pain. vader is dark father and teaches dark punishing lessons. he does it to his officers too, only they only get so many chances to learn.

    cutting off luke's hand is actually almost "merciful" as far as vader goes. and it was a warning, "do not make me destroy you."

    as someone else said it also ended the fight which i think vader was tiring of. luke wasn't doing what he wanted and he was frustrated.

    i don't think he felt remorse. in his dark father way i think he was trying to reach luke, and this was the closet he got. he cuts off his hand and *makes* him listen, and drives home his point about how luke is beaten--had vader been trying to kill him in this fight, he would have. there is no escape. luke must join him. it is the only way.

    i personally thought vader felt luke's pain and there was a tiny bit of compassion for it, a tiny spark. luke is at this point at his mercy. in ROTJ luke is certain there is still good in vader. by the time he's on the falcon (end of ESB), he is calling vader father. he senses something at this point. it's not "i hate you, you cut off my hand."

    in one of the marvel comics vader cut off the hand of a princess trying to kill him. she stood no chance and it wasn't necessary to cut off her hand. but vader is a sith. and in his mind she should probably feel fortunate he didn't do more than that. i saw taking the hand as a punishment and again, a dark lesson.

    and yes, as far as vader is concerned losing a hand isn't a big deal. you can just get a mechanical replacement. he knows alllll about that. and next to how much of his body he's lost, a hand is nothing. and remember when anyone complains to vader about anything, he lets them know he can make it worse for them if they like. lol.
     
  9. The Supreme Chancellor

    The Supreme Chancellor Jedi Master star 4

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    It was basically a right of passage. Dooku cut his hand off, and the revenge, hatred and anger it made him feel allowed him to touch the dark side. No reason it wouldn't do the same for Luke.
     
  10. Darth_Pevra

    Darth_Pevra Chosen One star 6

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    No, Vader was too far down the rabbit hole at this point. I also think Vader rationalized his own predicament as a good thing so I doubt he has the same opinions on artificial limbs that we have.
     
  11. themoth

    themoth Force Ghost star 5

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    In ROTS he had dreams of ruling the Empire himself. Once he found out Luke existed, those dreams came back. If he was willing to Force choke Padme, he was willing to cut off Luke's hand.
     
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  12. Django Fett

    Django Fett Force Ghost star 5

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    He was teaching Luke a valuable lesson or so Vader thought.
     
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  13. Master Endz-One

    Master Endz-One Jedi Master star 2

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    I think he did, once he found out he had a son he was in constant conflict. I imagine memories of Padme and the Emperor lying to him about killing Padme and his unborn child ( little does he know children ) running through his mind.
     
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  14. PadawanGussin

    PadawanGussin Jedi Knight star 2

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    IMO - as Vader had used his own pain and injuras a way to fuel his rage ,he wanted Luke to start down the path to rhe Dark Side .

    Vader could have easily simply cut Lykes saber in half but he choose instead to use the opportunity to teach Lyke a dark side lesson
     
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  15. IrB

    IrB Jedi Knight star 1

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    It has never seemed to me such a meditated action by Vader's part: he had plenty of opportunity to cut Luke's hand off before in the duel, if he had planned so. I've always thought that he tries to be in control in the whole duel, but when Luke taps his shoulder, he reacts out of anger, yet his anger never contemplates to really kill him and it comes out with maiming (and it's interesting to note Vader never, ever tries to submit Luke through a light Force choke, even if that is his strongest power: maybe is he afraid to loose control of its strength and repeat what happened – or what he thinks happened, by the way – with Padmé?).
    So, it seems to me more something like when someone is hotly arguing with his child trying hard to be in control, but then his son says or does something really insufferable and by reaction his father deals him a harder slap than he really intended; then, when the father cools off, he can even feel a little sorry for having done that, but he basically thinks it's the brat's fault to have been so difficult and deserved what happened, so he doesn't feel any real regret, even if it wasn't a planned course of action.
    IMHO, in the late sequence of TESB duel, cutting Luke's hand looks a lot like the Sithly darker way to deal a slap by Vader's part, more than a planned fueling-the-Dark-Side thing; in fact, then he doesn't spur further rage in Luke, but he speaks his most conciliating speech about staying together as father and son.
    Hence, Luke is even persuaded than Vader isn't so whole bad after all. In ROTJ, he doesn't say: "That jerk is so lost into the darkness that he even cut off my hand to make me angry". So, IMHO, overcome the initial shock, he probably rationalized something like that: "Stars, I did make my Sith dad angry and he only cut off my hand! So, after all he can not bring himself to kill me, even in his worst mood".
     
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  16. Pacified_llama

    Pacified_llama Jedi Master star 3

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    If Vader showed any amount of sympathy, he worked hard to hide it and trick people into thinking he couldn't care less. :p

    The idea of redeeming Vader is not developed until ROTJ - and as such his appearance in TESB is as the antagonist and main villain.
    He also continues to urge Luke to join him, even after he is wounded and fleeing Bespin, "It is your destiny!"