Does anyone else not accept Splinter of the Minds Eye as canon.

Yae or Yay. I'm chimig in here. I hated SotME. I have had it since 1982, and I still haven't read the whole thing. I don't care if Obi-wan was controlling Luke. Vader would have fricaseed Luke and Leia, without breaking a sweat. The whole thing is dumb.

Halla, that's the worst thing. "I can move a glass five centimeters! I'm a master!"

And Han is dissapeared. If Han's not in it, it's not official!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Doesn't anyone think it's a little retarded that when Luke and Vader fought in ESB that Vader would say "Perhaps you are not as strong as the emperor thought." if they fought once before and Vader lost?

OK, you say Obi-Wan did the fighting for Luke. Great, but Vader didn't know that.

When Lucas makes a movie, he cares little about the EU. Just ask Jaster Mareel or whetever his name is.

 

Um, how, exactly, did Zahn contradict it?

Concerning the loss of Vader's arm.

 

I haven't read SotME, so I might be talking about the wrong book, but I think I have it right:

Consider Obi-Wan's statement, "If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I cannot interfere."

Hmm, dosen't it sound like he's referring to a previous confrontation where he DID interfere?

Also, it's on the NJO timelines.

And if that's not enough, there's an introduction by GEORGE LUCAS!!!

 

Zahn didn't contradict anything about Vader losing his arm.

 

Didn't we just have this thread?

Anyway, some of these arguments against SotME are completely baseless.

"Vader was out of character." Which "Vader" are we talking about, here? The Vader in ANH that throws hissy fits and screams orders at his subordinates? The cool, calculating Vader from ESB that NEVER loses his composure? The emotional Vader from RotJ that eventually turns from the Dark Side? Vader's character varied movie to movie, especially between ANH and the latter sequels. So the "out of character" argument doesn't cut it.

"Han wasn't in it." And? He wasn't in the Phantom Menace, either, does that mean Episode I isn't canon? Han is not ubiquitous, in countless other novels, even movies, Han goes off on his own missions.

"Luke was too powerful, Vader too weak." Luke was being helped by Kenobi, had the benefit of a Force-enhancing crystal, and is probably the second most powerful Force adept in the GFFA, after Vader. Vader himself is somehow wounded, presumably by Kenobi, to the point where he must wear his suit. The whole concept of Vader is that he was utterly defeated by Kenobi. Jix, the merc from SotE, saved Vader from certain death. Boba Fett had Vader at his mercy at one point in Enemy of the Empire, but chose not to kill him. Face it, Vader is not infallible.

"Zahn contradicted it with something about Vader's arm." Okay, I have no idea what this is referring to, I'll admit, but again, Vader was more machine than man. SotME was not the first time he lost a limb. It's possible, even likely, that Vader sustained further wounds (including losses of limbs) while hunting down Jedi during the Purge, although these stories remain to be told.




And that's just a few.

 

I'm curious, too. How did Zahn contradict? Are you talking about ysaliminari, or however it's spelled?

 

"Wedge...
He didn't make that clear in his post."

I think he made it very clear. Since clearly, he has no control over what is or isn't accepted into official continuity, he could only have been refering to what he personally accepts.

 

Well, if any of you venture into the AOTC spoilers, you will see even more contradoctions to SOTME and the Thrawn novels.

 

Off subject, but I remember reading Splinter as a Marvel Comic when it first came out (how old does that make me?). I read that Marvel isn't cannon, so how is it that Splinter gets to be?

 

Marvel is indeed canon.

As I said in another thread, the only thing that contradicts the EU in AOTC is Owen's relationship with Obi-Wan. Nothing else.

 

Lisnna:Marvel never made a comic adaption of SotME. I'm 100% sure of that. People did beg for an adaption in the letter section. That's probaly why your memory is playing tricks on ya .

 

My, my, there are an awful lot of unfounded statements being regurgitated here. Stick to the facts people.

 

Lianna...
"Off subject, but I remember reading Splinter as a Marvel Comic when it first came out (how old does that make me?). I read that Marvel isn't cannon, so how is it that Splinter gets to be?"

MT's correct, there was never a SotME comic adaptation by Marvel. Besides fans asking for one in the letters section, there was also much discussion in the Marvel letters section regarding SotME and continuity. Marvel's letters section was the spiritual predecessor to the TF.N EU forums.

You've read incorrectly that Marvel isn't canon. It is canon and so is Splinter. In fact, Marvel has always been included in things. It was portions of Marvel which became canon before any other parts of the EU, before TTT, before JAT, etc.

 

only movies are canon. the novels are whatever you want the to be.

 

Looks like someone is behind in the times. Everything is canon.

 

Plus no other book has referred to this so that should tell you something.

Um, NJO, YJK, X-Wing, GOF and the Ongoing comic series all refer to it. So does nearly every reference book.

>OK, you say Obi-Wan did the fighting for Luke. Great, but Vader didn't know that.

Luke said "I'm- I'm Ben Kenobi!" Vader just didn't believe him. Now, when he's lying at the bottom of a well with one arm, he probably reconsidered.

>Off subject, but I remember reading Splinter as a Marvel Comic when it first came out (how old does that make me?). I >read that Marvel isn't cannon, so how is it that Splinter gets to be?

First, Marvel is canon. Second, Marvel never published an adaptation of Splinter, Dark Horse did.

TC

 

LOL. Why don't I just write a Bib Fortuna, Twi'lek script that parrots "Everything is canon" and "X does not contradict Y", no matter what anyone says?

 

I've thought about doing that myself. But I find it useful to have an "It's all canon" 'bot to do all of my talking when I'm away.

'Sides, some of us here are easy to impersonate.

Binary_Sunset : "Star Wars is great. ESB, ROTJ and especially TPM suck."

 

LOL

 

Hey,U was just thinkin... isn't what you did with the TPM novel kinda like making a continuity fix Padme Bra?

Sure you could argue that you were just using common logic...but it's still a continuity fix. You were told that something happened and you figured out how that event must've unfolded. In this case,you were told that the Rule of two was invented after the Sith were thought to be extinct. You figured out that they must've encounted the Sith a few more times after the rule of was invented in order for Yoda to have known abvout it.

Don't we EUers do the same thing everyday? We're told something happened in the SW universe, so we have to find a logical explanation for how something occured making sure that it fits with other sources.

Why Padme Bra,you're one of us!

 

I accept it! I think it is a great story! Love that book!

 

Well I never read the book SOTME but I read the graphic novel.

While cool in its own world, there are many other things and one major one in AOTC that contradict it and also contradicts Zahn's novel.

Cannot say here of course.

 

oil or hydrolic fluid, that luke thought was blood, easy enough.

 

Can we all be mature about this and face facts here?

It is Lucasfilm that says its all Canon, but NOT Lucas Himself. Sure, he will show up, say that here and there possibly. BUT, I highly DOUBT he has read EVERY EU source there is like we have. After all, if he DID, and its ALL canon, then why are there no hoojibs in ESB and ROTJ? Where is the green oversized bunny hanging out with Han and Chewie? Why then did Lucas have Anakin build C3P0, instead of sticking to the story that he's over 300 years old? Why did he put Greedo in the now cut scene where he fights with Anakin? Why is he making it impossible for Boba Fett to be Jaster Mereel in EP II (I will not spoil it here)? The fact is, he DOESN'T read them. He has his people do it, and brief him on it. And his people just do NOT want to go through the hassle of reclassifying all the things that don't fit as infinities, because they may alienate an author or group they may want to work with in the future. ITS POLITICS.

So, for God's sakes, quit trying to be like the Trekkies and try to fit every inconsistency into the timeline. Instead, lets be more mature about this, and look at each book and source reasonably.

That, and I personally think that anyone willing to accept Splinter, the Marvel Comics, anything written by Barbara Hambly, and Crystal Star as canon should have their head examined.

/rant