Books A/V Dooku: Jedi Lost, a stand-alone original audio drama

I'd be happy with a script. I got the book for Harry Potter and the Cursed Child when it came out and had no problems with the format.

 

Apply this argument to comics vs. books and think about how it sounds. Does the Dr. Aphra series not existing in book form imply that people who don't read comics are being forced to consume a format they dislike? Is there a portion of the fan base being unfairly cut off? Should the Aphra series be novelized? No, of course not. An audio original is just one more format that isn't a novel, and your argument still really sounds like it's hinging on the idea that novels are the default format and that those who prefer them should be catered to the most.

Nobody is "forcing" you to miss out on any stories --- it's you who's choosing not to buy them. Video games are expensive and often include major EU stories, too. Spend your money how you want, but you're not being forced to miss out on anything. Complaining about not having an audible account would be like complaining about the next big story being in a video game when you don't own an X-Box.

Releasing the script, Cursed Child-style, would be a great move from an accessibility standpoint. It would be the equivalent of producing an audiobook version of a novel. Whereas novelizing Dooku: Lost would be the equivalent of, like Internous says, writing a screenplay and then producing a full-cast audio performance of a novel.

 

Keep in mind that over a decade past between Dooku leaving the order and the blockade of Naboo.
Lots can happen in that time.

From what I can tell the thing that was driving Sifo insane was specifically related to Dooku taking up his title of Count. The people chanting his name in particular stuck with Sifo, and when he heard it become reality he became unhinged for a bit.
It's possible that after this he got better, under the guidance of master Kostana he regained control, and the visions stopped plaguing him for a time.

The thing I find most curious is how his master would react to him taking a seat on the council. She spent decades hiding his visions from them, would she want him to risk it all should he relapse?
Not that she really has a say, but it is for that reason I speculated earlier in this thread that she might have passed away by that time.

After he ascended to the council the visions returned, clearer than ever, and he voiced his concerns bluntly to his colleagues, who respond as previously mentioned.

 

I'm thinking Kostana is the reason his visions were so bad. He didn't even start having them until he became her Padawan.

 

I finished listening to this yesterday. I really enjoyed it. I wasn't sure about it being an audio book, but since it's much more of an audio drama, I didn't have a problem with it.

13 year old Qui-Gon sounding basically the same as he does in TPM cracked me up, and I wasn't a fan of Rael's voice at all. Sounded nothing how I imagined and he just felt like a completely different character than from Master and Apprentice.

 

See, I was fresh off listening to the Master and Apprentice audiobook, narrated by Jonathan Davis, who voiced both Qui-Gon and Aveross. Qui-Gon’s voice sounded younger than in M&A and Rael’s sounded exactly the same. The whole thing about Rael is that he kept the accent of his home planet and talked differently than most Jedi.


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Sorry but I still can't see any negative to adapting it though, other than some unfounded fears you seem to have. You don't seem to have any real reason to oppose such a move that makes any sense to me. Your opposition seems to hinge on "Novels shouldn't be the default format" which I just can't see the point of. As I said, there's not going to be any less experimentation if this gets adapted. It's not a matter of 1 v the other, it's 1 v both. The only reason that would happen would be if the audio drama was very unsuccessful financially but the adapted novel was, which I'm not sure is likely.

 

My point is that it doesn't need to be adapted. There's no reason to treat novels as the default, as something into which other mediums should be translated. There's no reason to look at a different type of EU and think "That should also be a novel because I like novels best." The biggest negative to adapting it would be that it would be pointless.

If you truly believe that audio originals should be novelized but not video games or comics, then there's some pretty big cognitive dissonance going on on your part --- if you can accept that mediums other than novels exist, then this one shouldn't be so difficult either. This is not a book, it never has been, and there's never been a reason to believe that it should be.

 

No one's saying that it "needs to be adapted". Just that they would like it.
No one said "audio originals should be novelized but not video games or comics"
No one is failing to "accept that mediums other than novels exist"

You're jumping to conclusions, making assumptions and overreacting without basis. You're arguing with an opposition to your point that doesn't exist. Maybe before accusing me of cognitive dissonance, pay closer attention yourself to what you are responding to.

 

Sifo was something of a wreak over the course of many years with his visions, Lene tried to help him, major reason she chose him as her apprentice. But he never really gained complete control or whatever, and Dooku saw less and less of him. But he seemed sane and functional.

Sifo foresaw people chanting Dooku, but he expressed nothing negative about it as far as I recall, or after the battle was over and everyone went their separate ways. The Jedi even pretty easily respected his resignation from the Order without much politics or debate.

If Anakin told the Council about Padme and his unborn, one wonders if he was over reacting or what since neither Breylon(who traded intel with criminals to protect her son) was not even sent to the Citadel and nor her son Arath who was a bad gambler. Breylon and Arath almost cost the life of Dooku's ingrate brother - and Dooku went all out and about to uncover and expose their treachery and help his brother there.

Its nice that the Sorcerers of Tund were canonized during the Bogan collection vault scene, in new canon they now a mystery that hopefully gains some backstory.

The Presagers of Hakotei are weird. The name appears a play on the real word ancient goddess Hecate. They used some kinda living moss to trap the Jedi and it pretty much renders their Force powers null. It took Dooku' visions and voices to embrace of the Dark Side and gaining Force lightning to save them all. Force Lightning is as weird as ever in its voltage.

There is mention in a vision of the bone skinned woman, could be Talzin although Ventress thought it meant her. Talzin and Dooku had some prior relationship according to Season 3 of TCW, but there is not mention of it this book and it remains a mystery.

 

I've been paying close attention to and responding to everything you've said. You've been saying things like "By not adapting it you're just cutting off a proportion of the fan base," and that releasing audio originals is "forcing people to consume a format they dislike," both of which heavily imply that you believe this should be novelized, and both of which are absurd. Your argument has been novel-centric from the get-go, and I haven't been jumping to any conclusions --- I've been responding directly to your very words. There's no overreaction here.

And regarding cognitive dissonance, note that my most recent post said: '"If" you truly believe that audio originals should be novelized but not video games or comics." Note the "If." No wild accusations here, friend. Nor did I accuse you of failing to accept that mediums other than novels exist; I made a point based on the axiom that you can do that very thing. I urge you to read my posts more closely.

If you really think that your argument has been nothing more than that you would "like" for this to be adapted into a novel --- then, neat? It's not going to happen, nor should it. The bottom line is that you're not being forced to do anything. It's you who chooses what you consume.

 

During the final events on Serenno Sifo seemed genuinely concerned about the chanting to me, the vision was enough to distract him from combat, and when it became reality he frantically stated "Oh no, They're chanting his name!" several time, and certainly did not seem pleased about it.

We don't know what happened after this, and lots can happen over a decades time.

I agree the council is willing to forgive even major transgressions, though I expect the fact that Braylon was genuinely remorseful made it easier to trust her again. Anakin wasn't willing to let go of Padme, he wouldn't have apologized for violating the code, and I think he would have had a more difficult time than her to get back on the councils good side, if they even allowed him to remain a Jedi. There are many existential circumstances in both cases that we need to keep in mind.

I think it's likely Dooku irst encountered Talzin after he fell to the dark side, maybe it happened during one of the time skips, but based on the context surrounding their interactions (and her work with Sidious), I think the former is more likely.

 

Well he had a breakdown on the field as he always did whenever he had an episode and he would often be confused, fearful, scarred and rather frantic. And often needed aid and time to recover, but he when he pulled himself together during this scene it was not like he acted on what he blurted out or even really understood it. He kept chanting "Dooku, Dooku" and said something like "he who will divide".

But after all was said and done, it was nothing negative about Dooku or actions taken against him by Sifo. He just foresaw what Dooku eventually did with the beast and assumption of power on Serreno. We see as he became the tyrant of Serreno, and even summoned the terrible lizard beast - even became the terrible beast for a short time when he used Beast Control(two bodies one mind). Essentially Dooku earns his name "Tyranus" right there on Serreno. Looking at their dire situation, what Dooku did saved everyone and even Serreno(for the time being) from a mad tyrant ruler(and Dooku would become another). But there was nothing present in this story that Sifo could make sense of, or become suspicious of Dooku and the Sith .


Sifo just expresses more just the usual sadness and disappointment that he remained and became Count and resigned from the Jedi Order. But he offers no Jedi vs Sith stuff as none is really to be found here. And that is despite of raising the dragon and Force Lightning,lol.

It should be noted Yoda did not view Dooku as resigning from being an actual Jedi. Yoda considered him always a Jedi and refused to take his lightsaber.

Sifo would trust Dooku enough later on, which ends up being Sifo's downfall. Sifo would one day soon used that personalized holocomm that Dooku handed him to contact him - and we know where that goes.

But Lene is more of a character than Sifo was in this book, that could be because Dooku was fasinated by her and her work, really wanted her as his Master, and there might of been a sexual attraction to her as well, Rael seemed to suspect it. In any case, she's kinda interesting.

To sum up, Sifo and his visions were kinda like Sybill Trelawney's from Potter. And the Jedi less concerned about premonition and prophecy that what we see in Harry Potter lore.

I can't help but wonder if Dooku eventually killed Sifo cause he used to playfully tease him with the nickname 'Doo',lol. Just kidding, but never know....

 

Definitely didn't mean to imply that at all. I directly stated multiple times though that my only contention has been that I would like it to be, despite the obvious unlikelihood of it occurring. As far as my "argument" being "novel-centric", not quite sure what you mean. My only "argument", if you want to call it that, was me trying to get my head around why anyone, from a fan's perspective, would see an adaptation as a negative. Which I still haven't. I have been pretty clear on that throughout.

Your entire previous post was countering arguments that no one was making, that you had come up with yourself seemingly to have something to argue against. No one said anything about "novels being a default" or that it "should be adapted" or other mediums being adapted v an audio drama.

As I said, I've been very clear on that throughout. This is why i encouraged you to pay closer attention to what you were responding to.

 

Is there a way to buy this as mp3 to play on any device, rather than audible which I find limiting and low bit rate?

 

Nope.


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It is available from a variety of audio platforms and sellers (depending on territory) like Google Play, Apple, etc. As just a regular MP3 download, unlikely.

 

You can buy from Audible and use open source software to convert to MP3.

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Which software can do this?

 

Open Audible

 

I think its fairly ambiguous, but since we don't know what happened after this I can see the worst of Sifo-Dyas's visions no longer plaguing him after these events considering they were the focus of his frantic behavior. It gives him a chance to compose himself, build up a reputation respectable enough to be granted a seat on the council, and then maybe relapsing as he begins to have visions of the coming war.

Dooku definitely had not fallen to the dark side in the immediate aftermath of the events on Serenno. Lene, Sifo, and Yoda all saw him as a Jedi, and he was nothing but respectful to them. He may have had his doubts but he was not yet a slave to the Sith.

I don't think Sifo is completely comparable to Trelawney. He doesn't go looking for visions, and hers are taken far more seriously when they do happen. But It's an interesting comparison in that they are both harbingers of doom that are often overlooked or dismissed by their contemporaries.

The events that led to the development of the Clone Army is still rather ambiguous. Based on the Lost Missions arc I was under the impression that most of it happened behind Sifo's back. The Pykes say they were approached by Tyrannus, but the only indication we have that he was with Sifo-Dyas comes from the native Felucians, who refer to a "second Jedi".

Based on the timeline, Sifo was on Obah Diah before being recalled to deal with the skirmish on Felucia, but was shot down before escaping the system.
The fact that Obi-Wan is having trouble communicating with the Natives offers a great amount of leeway in their accounting of events. The likely conclusion is that Dooku arrived with Sifo's body, claimed he was killed by some other tribe during negotiations, and had them cremate the corpse.
So the only time we know for a fact that Dooku was with his friend is after his death.
The Pykes say they were approached by Tyrannus, which leaves me with the impression that he did not arrive with Sifo-Dyas.

Maybe it is as you say, that Sifo reached out to his old friend for help. But I just don't see what the count of Serenno could contribute to any of this. Yes Dooku says Sifo "understood" and that he "helped him", but the validity of this information is suspect because of its source (Lol, I sound like Yoda in episode II). Particularly because we don't know the full story.

Long story short, I always assumed Dooku was acting solely on the initiative of the Sith, locating his old friend, hiring the pykes to kill him, and handing him over to the Felucians. All without Sifo even knowing he was there.
This interpretation is supported by the fact that Valorum only knew of the one Jedi, and the only time they are said to be together is after Sifo's death.

 

It's easy enough to heavily imply things and then fall back on claiming that you never actually "said" them and therefore people haven't been paying attention, but whatever. Your posts spoke for themselves.

Anyway... how is this? Any good? Worth a purchase for the gym, bus rides, etc?

 

Jenza specially says Sifo lost his sanity at one point when she narrates, once the visions of the beast came to be and he saw it. He's a strange character and act to follow cause he's a mess but still loyal friend of Dooku's regardless.

Jenza rallied the chant herself of the "Dooku, Dooku". She was part of the prophecy in that regard as well.

He was full of the Dark Side, most could or refused not yet see it cause he was Jedi and he hid it like Anakin was hiding his own. His first taste of it was the touching of the dragon statue, then the Bogan vault, his encounter with Lene when she and Yoda tested him when she claimed he was a Sith Lord, later with the witch coven ect. These are all moments to note much like Anakin in the PT. So at various parts in the book he's becoming the Dooku we know. By the battle of Serreno he was completely more so than Anakin was prior to the post chancellors chamber in ROTS, Force Lightning and all he had and used. Dooku could be described as a Dark Jedi of the EU during his slaying of Ramil and the harnessing of the dragon.

Its after the events of the dragon and after he took Serreno as a tyrant and heir that he became influenced and corrupted by the Hooded Man(Sidious). He became a Sith Lord after the events of TPM and Jenza dies shortly before AOTC.

Sifo was murdered around the same time as the invasion of Naboo in TPM, so the there is a lil gap between dark Dooku's ascension as Count of Serreno(but still a Jedi to Yoda) probably some time shortly before TPM and his dealings with Palpatine/Sidious manifested into something Master and Apprentice. Killing his sister is really also his last act to erase his past and fully become Sith Lord Darth Tyranus and prove his loyalty to his master and to the Sith cause - while its also Ventress' moment she completely embraced her own Dark Side and a life of servitude as an agent of evil personal assassin.

Ventress did know about Sidious yet until after Jenza mentioned something about the Hooded Man and being corrupted by him. Interestingly enough apparently Serreno was supposed to be the capital of Dooku's new Empire under the Sith.

 

Given that I'm the one who made the comments I think it's pretty safe for me to conclude what was implied or not, tbf. But moving on, chalk it up to a misunderstanding.

I thought it was ok. Not great, wouldn't pay for it. However take what I say with a grain of salt because as you may have realised I am not a fan of audiobooks/audiodramas at all, and ymmv.