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Amph Engage! The Star Trek: TNG General Discussion

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  1. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    304: Who Watches The Watchers:
    -Premise: The Enterprise must undo the damage when a group of primitives observes a Federation observation team and conclude that the Starfleet officers are gods.

    -T2Q Comments: Holographic duck blind observation post- a concept later revisited in Insurrection. Rather cold of Picard with the "why didn't you let him die?" comment. Interesting that they seemingly attribute the previously seen memory erasure to Pulaski- perhaps the show would rather blame her than acknowledge the darker questions it raises- this is also apparently the last mention of Pulaski in the franchise.

    Suggesting Picard play into the Overseer role and fan the religious beliefs is a terrible idea, I'm glad Picard rejected it- but is this guy supposed to be some kind of expert? In a worst case scenario, they could provide rational explanations to these people about the guy's experiences- popping up outta thin air might violate the Prime Directive, but it would do less damage than allowing a religion to generate and spread...oh, and it looks like he's going to do something just like that, ha.

    The drama of the arrow wound is brushed under the rug pretty quickly as part of a generally quick wrap up, but good episode overall- especially in terms of dealing with a prime directive situation. not essential, though.




    305: The Bonding:
    -Premise: Worf decides to adopt the child of a slain subordinate, but the child is having trouble accepting his mother's death, especially when she mysteriously reappears.

    -T2Q Comments: Quite a few "they destroyed themselves" cultures encountered over the course of this series. If a command crew member- a telepathic one at that- exclaims for an emergency beamup, you think they'd react quicker...

    I like that Picard does have qualms about having families/children on a starship. "I'm all alone now." "On the starship Enterprise, no one is alone. No one." I like that line.

    ...and the undead mom turns a blatant character-development episode (as per the title) into something probably bad. Having trouble keeping transporter offline due to the energy alien- why not just pull a few plugs or circuit boards somewhere? Don't give it something functional to power.

    Not a terrible episode, and at least fairly honest in terms of emotional states, but kinda dull overall. Though it is noteworthy for introducing Ronald D. Moore to the show. Ok, But Not Essential




    306: Booby Trap:
    -Premise: While investigating a 1,000-year-old derelict ship, the Enterprise gets caught in the same booby trap that doomed the vessel a millennium ago.

    T2Q Comments: Picard's enthusiasm here is great- a real shame the episode title gives things away right off the bat- they should have kept it more ambiguous.

    Some nice FX shots gives a sense of scale. Ship in the bottle frustration amusing- and apparently O'Brien's past hobby of it is referenced in the last episode of the series. Also it seems Guinan's anecdote of a bald man once being kind to her is played out by Picard via time travel in Season 6.

    Interesting little trap here, and very neat to see the D under construction. The escape from the trap is surprisingly tense, not to mention that's how you "manually" pilot the ship (as opposed to a microsoft flightstick on a cardboard podium rising out of the floor- damn you Insurrection!). Shame they couldn't destroy the trap without destroying the ship.

    Good Geordi episode- the real Brahms shows up later too, if I'm not mistaken, so some good connections here and given the quality of the episode, I'm going to say it's Definitely Essential.


    Up next: 307: The Enemy, 308: The Price and 309: The Vengeance Factor.
     
  2. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    Right on!

    one of my personal favorite episodes...and the introduction of what becomes an interesting connection through the "Geordi" episodes...from this one with the holo-Brahms...to the real Brahms...and eventually the "Scotty" episode...each one referencing the one before, and linking the experience of Geordi through his episodes.

    watch for it.

    And you are right about the tension...the enterprise is in dire straits many times...sometimes in more dire...but they don't feel as tense...the lighting, the dialog, and a fantastic scoring of this episode help to bring that together almost magically.
     
  3. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/c/c3/Leah_Brahms_2367.jpg]
    Hawtter!
     
  4. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    There we go.

    Now just toss in a shot of Ashley Judd in her operations gold, and we're talking the Super Hawt trinity of the show!

    That would be amusing...rank the hottest guest stars of TNG.

    man...the list wouldn't be TOO long...but it could be tough to rank.
     
  5. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Don't forget Famke "original spots" Jennsen =P~ EDIT:
    [image=http://www.annotatedmst.com/episodes/skydivers/picard.jpg]
    Make it so!
     
  6. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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  7. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    [face_laugh] =D= [face_laugh]
     
  8. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    Other TNG Hotties (besides K'Ehleyr & Dr. Brahms) that come to mind...

    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/45/Ishara_Yar.jpg]
    Beth Toussaint as Ishara Yar

    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/8/89/Lanel.jpg]
    Bebe Neuwirth as Nurse Lanel

    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/2/21/Kamala.jpg]
    Famke Janssen as Kamala

    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8a/Lefler.jpg]
    Ashley Judd as Ensign Lefler

    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/e/e2/SonyaGomez.jpg]
    Lycia Naff as Ensign Gomez

    [image=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/d/df/Sito_jaxa.jpg]
    Shannon Fill as Ensign Sito

    That's not to mention "future hotties" Nikki Cox & Kirsten Dunst
     
  9. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    wow...great start:

    Let me see if I can dig up some more...


    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4e/Shelby.jpg]

    Elizabeth Dennehy as Commander Shelby


    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/5/56/Ro_Laren_2370.jpg]

    Michelle Forbes as Ro Laren


    [image=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/2/2f/BrennaOdell.jpg]

    Rosalyn Landor as Brenna Odell


    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/9/99/Rivan%2C_Edo.jpg]

    Brenda Bakke as Rivan

    (yeah, the wig is terrible...still...)
     
  10. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/d/d6/Vash.jpg]

    Vash
     
  11. Juliet316

    Juliet316 Time-Traveling F&G Manager star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    See, Famke Jameson's appearance on TNG is a big reason why watching the X - Men movies makes me uncomfortable. It's hard for me on occassion to seperate the father/daughter relationship Professor X and Jean are suppose to have in the X - Men Movies with the fact that Famke's character was Picard's lover on TNG.
     
  12. Jedi Merkurian

    Jedi Merkurian New Films Rumor Naysayer star 7 Staff Member Manager

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    I'd forgotten about Brenna & Vash =P~
     
  13. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/6/6d/Amanda_rogers.jpg]

    Olivia d'Abo as Amanda Rogers


    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3f/Alyssa_ogawa.jpg]
    Patti Yasutake as Alyssa Ogawa


    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4b/Marta_Batanides.jpg]
    J.C. Brandy as Marta Batanides

    (some of these pictures stink...the Memory Alpha people need to do a better job)
     
  14. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    Not every Wiki can be Wookieepedia ;)
     
  15. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    We Have Our Candidates:

    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/startrek/images/f/f8/K%27Ehleyr.jpg]
    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/c/c3/Leah_Brahms_2367.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/45/Ishara_Yar.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/8/89/Lanel.jpg]
    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/2/21/Kamala.jpg]
    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/8/8a/Lefler.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/e/e2/SonyaGomez.jpg]
    [image=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/d/df/Sito_jaxa.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4e/Shelby.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/5/56/Ro_Laren_2370.jpg]
    [image=http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/2/2f/BrennaOdell.jpg]
    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/9/99/Rivan%2C_Edo.jpg]
    [image=http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/d/d6/Vash.jpg]
    [image=http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/6/6d/Amanda_rogers.jpg]
    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/3/3f/Alyssa_ogawa.jpg]
    [image=http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/4/4b/Marta_Batanides.jpg]

    Let the subjective ranking based on the objectification of these ladies begin!=P~[face_shame_on_you][face_pig][face_laugh]:cool:
     
  16. The2ndQuest

    The2ndQuest Tri-Mod With a Mouth star 10 Staff Member Manager

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    307: The Enemy:
    -Premise: La Forge and a Romulan are trapped on a planet ravaged by electromagnetic storms.

    -T2Q Comments: Return to the Romulan stories. Geordi falls down this hole, why doesn't he use his phaser to fire like a flare? Crusher's hair looks a lot better than it has the last couple episodes at least. Geordi's a resourceful SOB, though...

    Romulan G'Kar!

    The Enterprise escorts the Romulan ship to the Neutarl Zone...by flying in the opposte direction- goooo stock footage!

    Good episode, both for Geordi and even for Worf to a lesser degree. Romulan connection, particulalry with the introduction of Romulan G'Kar who'll pop a couple more times down the road, adds up to making this one Definitely Essential.




    308: The Price:
    -Premise: The Enterprise hosts negotiations for possession of the only known stable wormhole.

    -T2Q Comments: This delegate looks like Stan's sister on South Park- "are you starring at my headgear?!", and the Caldonians take the "all Trek aliens are a forehead prosthetic" theory and cranks it up to 11. Guy from Police Academy 5 & 6..

    "First and only stable wormhole" (to Gamma Quadrant) seems notable given DS9's premise later on. The lovey-dovey eyes between Troi and Police Acadmey 5 & 6 Guy already bugging me and we haven't even hit the opening credits yet.

    "We'll need chairs" LOL- ok, the first time was funny, then they immediately kill the joke and kick it's corpse into a tupperware container.

    First visit to the Delta Quadrant. Crusher/Troi workout scene- yikes. Cameltoe: The final frontier. Ha, Ferengi soo screwed- I remember this moment.

    As much as the Troi/Police Academy 5 & 6 Guy subplot has been dull, the discussion over empath advantages contrasted between his position and hers is quite interesting- however, any goodwill that scene built up is cancelled out by the subsequent Riker/Police Academy 5 & 6 Guy scene.

    The way Stewart says "Screen off!" as if it's a curseword is great, there's gotta be a good way to use that again, ha. 80 years to the Dela Quadrant sounds about right.

    This would be a much better episode if about 10 minutes of the Troi stuff was cut, but despite that, I have to chalk this one up as a nostalgic favorite due the wormhole bit, but since I have to look beyond that, I'll have to say this is an Average episode, but.....Memory Alpha points out they actually followup on the lost Ferengi in an episode of Voyager, which is surprising to hear and I look forward to that episode way down the road. Given that element (which is essentially the source of Voyager's premise), I'm going to upgrade the episode's classification to "Potentially Essential, But Not Necessarily Good".




    309: The Vengeance Factor:
    -Premise: The Enterprise tries to negotiate an end to raids launched by a group called the "Gatherers," but a murder threatens to prevent peace.

    T2Q Comments: Not a particularly grabbing teaser. Another "war-like past we've moved beyond" race.

    The warp effect again, yay! Dig the music during the ambush. Sovereign's negotiations have weight. chick villain is promising.

    There's something very wrong with the angles of the main viewer conversation- it's not a hologram, there is no perspective.

    Whats with the multiple phaser shots? She's trying to kill the guy 3 feet in front of her, maybe actually stunning her like normal and sorting it out safely later would be a good idea? ......Or you could vaporize her... what the hell?

    A dark enough of an ending, but the logic hole in the degree of force used here really throws a bit of a wrench into the works. Good Episode, But Not Essential, though it's borderline Average to a degree.


    Up next: 310: The Defector, 311: The Hunted and 312: The High Ground.

    (having all these episodes start with "The" is making this season sound like a season of Aqua Teen Hunger Force...)
     
  17. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    The thing that I find interesting about this episode is that the dying Romulan sub-plot shows how Worf has developed.In The Enemy, he refuses to save the dying Centurion. In Star Trek: Nemesis he tells Captain Riker that the Romulans fought with honor.
     
  18. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I don't know if I agree with that.

    The Romulans "did" in fact fight with honor in Nemesis...it was begrudged statement that honor demanded of Worf.

    In this episode he is asked to be compassionate to an enemy who has shown no such honor...in fact, quite the opposite.

    What the producers of the show wanted you to see was how "stubborn pride" can keep us from doing the right thing.

    Personally, I've always seen this as a testament to Worf's sense of honor and principle over pity and misplaced compassion.

    Let's face it...if the Romulans intend to attack because of the death of one soldier found to be acting clandestinely...they are going to attack anyway...being "frightened" into it...like Picard is...is why I respect Worf all the more here.

    It's a great episode in that you can find a different truth then what the writers/producers obviously intended.
     
  19. Zebra3

    Zebra3 Jedi Master star 5

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    I always got the impression that the stunning didn't work because that chick had her DNA all messed up when they turned her into a killing machine. It seemed to me that if she would be able to kill with a touch then she'd have other sorts of defenses built into her genetic makeup. Like, say, being able to withstand all but the most powerful phaser blasts.
     
  20. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    I was speaking in terms of Worf's long term development as a character. Don't forget that Worf's arc unfolds over all seven seasons of TNG and the last four seasons of Deep Space Nine. He's been in close contact with the Romulans for an extended period of time. I think he's seen that while the Romulans can definetly be duplicitous bastards, they're not ones to shy away from a fight either and Worf respects that, hence his comment in Nemesis to Riker that the Romulans fought with honor.
     
  21. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    I think it's more a regard to seeing past his Klingon culture's hateful stereotypes of Romulans.

    Which, however, is something that Romulans tended to backup (the show is built on stereotypes.)

    Worf's comment in Nemesis is a recognition of Romulans not acting in the stereotypical manner...is it growth for Worf? I'll agree with that.

    But in this episode, the Romulan in question is playing up the stereotypes to the redline...and he is genuinely despicable.

    The episode paints the portrait that Worf should save his enemy, who hates him...a morality story built on Judaeo-Christian/Western compassion. Now how this plays to his comment on "other" Romulans fighting with honor...is a stretch at best.

    I would postulate that an injuried Romulan in sickbay on the E, cursing Worf during Nemesis, is going to get the same cold shoulder as the one in the episode.

     
  22. Chancellor_Ewok

    Chancellor_Ewok Chosen One star 7

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    In terms of the episode in question, yes Worf and the Romulan are both buying into their governments' propoganda about each other and, while I alway want Worf to show compassion and save his enemy, I know that he won't because he's simply unable to look past his cultural conditioning.

    I don't know that I agree with this. After serving on the front lines of the war for four years and working closely with the Romulans on more than one occaision, I think that Worf has come to realize the Romulans do have their own sense of honor, even though it manifests itself differently than among Klingons or humans. The Worf that we see in Nemesis probably would save a dying Romulan because he realizes that its the honorable thing to do.
     
  23. Panther50

    Panther50 Jedi Youngling star 3

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    I'd have thought it would be easy for Worf to get over the traditional Klingon view of Romulans. I mean wasn't he raised by Humans that should have made him pretty tolerant.
     
  24. Kimball_Kinnison

    Kimball_Kinnison Jedi Grand Master star 6

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    You forget that it was the Romulans who attacked Khitomer and killed his parents, and he was only raised by humans because it was a Starfleet vessel that rescued him.

    Kimball Kinnison
     
  25. Jedimarine

    Jedimarine Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah...and Worf also spends his life compensating for that upbringing.

    He tries to be more Klingon then most Klingons...it's a running theme throughout TNG and DS9...the lonely warrior in exile who holds his people's principles better then they themselves do.