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Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Discussion in 'Literature' started by AdmiralWesJanson, Sep 12, 2005.

  1. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    The 2 major differences are the structure on top of the command tower....
    Mk I
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    Ml II
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    and the main weapons on the side of the command tower. Having trouble finding clear close up pics...but the Mk I has 8 double barreled batteries and the Mk II has 8 octuple (8 barreled) batteries.

    Here are pics of the models for the Devastator (Mk I) http://www.theforce.net/swtc/exhibit/devastator.html
    And Avenger (Mk II) http://www.theforce.net/swtc/exhibit/avenger.html
     
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  2. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    Eckhartsladder did a video on this just a few days ago.
     
  3. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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  4. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    Did Lucasfilm throw away their Star Destroyer model or something after filming ANH, because they didn't anticipate having to make a sequel? If so, are the X-wing, TIE Fighter, and Millennium Falcon also different models?
     
  5. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I think they made a new model of the Falcon specifically for TFA, that was better scaled than the old "bigger on the inside" model.

    The TIEs in Rogue One also look very slightly different, with a broader ring around the cockpit window.
     
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  6. Sans_Fi

    Sans_Fi Jedi Master star 1

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    They didn't throw it away, they just made a new model, bigger and with more detail. You can actually see the original Star Destroyer model in a few shots of Empire Strikes Back. Particularly when you can see a Star Destroyer near the Executor.

    The model got modified to have the same targeting array, but the turbines, the turrets and the ammount of detail is from the original ISD-I

    For example, when we first meet the Executor, the movie cuts from this model of a ISD-II
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    To a model of a ISD-I with a modified targeting array
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    Here you can see the old ISD-I model being used (you can tell by the turrets)

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    Here is another one:
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    And the weirdest change comes from the ISD that gets disabled. It changes from ISD-I thrusters to ISD-II thrusters between shots.

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  7. Iron_lord

    Iron_lord Chosen One star 10

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    I like that Rogue One ISD-Is have ISD-I style shield generators - it not being treated as "the original model details are incorrect".
     
  8. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    Normally what we have here is ships we like...but what are some of the ships you don't like?

    For me it is this one. The Mandalmotors HH-87 Starhopper. It just looks off to me. Just my $0.02...they should have done the CloakShape.
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  9. Vthuil

    Vthuil Force Ghost star 5

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    I'm gonna be honest, if perhaps a bit heretical for this thread: I have always been inclined to outright reject the ISD-I/ISD-II distinction. It's super-nitpicky, not really consistently handled, and doesn't really make sense: lots of ships in the real world have little differences but are still considered of the same class. Maybe Star Destroyers built at Kuat have slightly different characteristics than ones built at Fondor, or maybe one reflects upgrades of some sort, but making it a whole Thing is just kinda silly in my eyes.
     
  10. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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    Yeah I think I thought that way for a while, but then again maybe they just have a different naming convention? I'm thinking ISD-I and ISD-II aren't considered separate classes but rather analogous to the Flight I, Flight IIA, Flight-whatever that the U.S. Navy uses for subtypes.
     
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  11. seeker_two

    seeker_two Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    Like the US Navy, ships of the same class can have differences as the production line ages. These differences are usually indicated by "blocks". A Block 1 ship was usually built in the first production run. As more ships are built and technology advances are incorporated, the block number changes. A Block 3 ship will usually have newer tech than a Block 1....until the Block 1 is refit to Block 3 specs. Sometimes, Block 1 ships might only get a partial refit, resulting in a blend of Block 1 and Block 3 specs.

    That pretty much explains the ISD I/II issue for me....

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  12. Havoc123

    Havoc123 Jedi Master star 4

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    Beauty shot reminded me of the past again, Empire at War's mods are getting even better, considering in the latest Thrawn's Revenge, you can get Chiefs of State elected. I wonder if we'll eventually get Caedus with the bonus Black Annie. :p

    If the Federation Triumvirate took out the bulk of Krayt's old One Sith Forces, is it possible that the Dragon Ships could've been reused as part of Triumvirate forces? We've mainly see them use Pellaeons.
     
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  13. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    I'm one of those guys who thinks that concept art deserves a 2nd chance.

    This of course would be a fighter....the wings flip out for flight to radiate heat and other reasons. Fold in for storage on landing.
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    I see this as more of a civilian transport. Sort of a luxury SUV of a space ship.
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  14. Alpha-Red

    Alpha-Red Chosen One star 6

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  15. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    @Chris0013 The first one looks like it was built from wind farm turbine parts.
     
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  16. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    I really appreciate that the Mandalorian's ship looks terrible. Not just weathered, but just an ugly, non-sexy design. You don't get the sense its any big deal as a dogfighter. Really helps with the idea he's a mid-tier merc, and why Han in particular is so attached to the Falcon.
     
  17. Pons

    Pons Jedi Knight star 2

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    A better look at some familiar ships from Rise of the Resistance...
    MC80A on the left, Neb-C on the right, with a partially-obscured StarFortress in between.
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    Looks like a Bunkerbuster on the left and a Neb-C(?) on the right, with an A-wing in between.
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    EDIT: Both fleets are a lot larger than I initially thought; there are at least 2 Resurgents and multiple MC cruisers, not to mention the starfighters, frigates and support ships. This video shows the entire ride, and at 3:38 you can get a very brief glimpse at an MC85. It is blurry, but the pointy nose is a dead giveaway.
     
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  18. AdmiralNick22

    AdmiralNick22 Fleet Admiral of Literature star 6 Staff Member Manager

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    @Pons

    I hate to disappoint you, but that is not an MC85. It is a standard MC80A. The MC80A model they use for the ride appears to have a slightly more pointy nose, but it is basically a Home One-type.

    --Adm. Nick
     
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  19. Senator Wan

    Senator Wan Jedi Knight star 1

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    That’s a Vakbeor on the right.


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  20. Ton_G

    Ton_G Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    I am digging whatever I can on the RotR fleet from ride videos. So far, at least 2 MC80As, 2 Neb-Cs, 2 Bunkerbusters, and 3 Vakbeor.

    I am also analyzing the MC80As. Notice that the nose hangars are used, at least on the starboard side, to launch A-Wings. I'll post a picture in a few minutes.
     
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  21. Ton_G

    Ton_G Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    This MC80A models is significantly different from the studio model, but also differs from the Rebels model. Given that our TROS MC80As have nose hangars, I expect to see this model in the movie.
     
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  22. TheAdmiral

    TheAdmiral Jedi Grand Master star 4

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    So in the last tie in to Fallen Order comic book they showed an interesting ship

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    Seems like a proto LAAT/i
     
  23. Chris0013

    Chris0013 Jedi Master star 4

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    It seems kind of generic to me.
     
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  24. masterskywalker

    masterskywalker Jedi Grand Master star 5

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    What the actual heck is up with those proportions? Are those troopers 3 feet tall? Is this a gunship made for wookies?
     
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  25. Blackhole E Snoke

    Blackhole E Snoke Jedi Master star 5

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    [face_laugh] It's so bad! Why are the cockpit windows so huge? Literally anyone could have done a better job. It makes the people on the right look like they are Gorax sized giants.
     
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