Lit Fleet Junkie Flagship- The technical discussions of the GFFA (Capital Ships thread Mk. II)

Well, the only custom designs in Thrawn's Revenge are of Legends ships we never got official pictures of AFAIK.

 

So, we've got one of these vacuum cleaner nozzles lying around, and every time I look at it I think...

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Mando S2

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Going over Gideon's Cruiser again, they clearly scaled it up (or the Lambda down) for the Season Finale. as I don't think a Lambda could fit through here. But we don't have a official width number for the Lambda, someone would need to measure it based on the length, 20 meters.


I'm also starting to agree that the official size given for the Clone Wars/Rebels model is too big.
325m is fine for Gideon's Cruiser (at least before the finale), but not for the one in the cartoons.

 

My argument has always been that we need more in the 600-1200 meter range...

 

I'm gonna go with the idea that, like all the other ships in the animated shows, the Arquitens was "stylized for the medium". Even though it was invented for the medium. Kinda backwards, but also oddly consistent.

 

Could solve that somewhat if you accept my headcanon here:

Secutor-class escort carrier, Bellator-class frigate, Assertor-class light cruiser...

 

I mean more to the "lost" Rebel ships that EC Henry did...I would have put this Mon Cal Corvette as a 800-900 meter heavy cruiser or light destroyer from a different manufacturer.

This one I would put at a heavy cruiser type as well...at 500-700 meters.

 

Why? Going by window size alone I would think they are rather small. Add to that the ancient oversized engines on the lower image, crewspace has proportionally less room than engine space and would make it thus either pretty fast, or outdated old. More like a courier or personnel transport.

The frigate-esque first image I can see as larger but here too engine size and the bridge pod seem to limit its size significantly. Does it have a hangar? One could imagine on in the middle section protected by the gun to the side of it, but that would then also limit its size as hangar height here would not be like in Stardestroyer hangars. Less a shuttle and more a fighter bay. It looks more like a science vessel to me, or an exploration mothership for smaller scoutships.

 

My feeling is since the ship is that you could do whatever you wanted with them....and since there is a lack of ships for the Rebels in that size range then making them that size fills the gap...and puts something that is not Mon Cal in that size range.

 

Be nice if EC Henry put out more content. Past three months since I supported him on Patreon, I think we've gotten two rambling videos.

 

Kind of surprised the Mon Calamari 'corvette' design was as small as it is, per EC Henry, personally.
Given EC Henry's 'How fast is Hyperspace' video, I thought this might be a good time to put up my speculative hyperdrive speeds table, compiled shortly before the sequel trilogy aired (so it's a little dated, now) I worked up my own travel times chart, assuming using the fastest hyperspace routes, such as the Hydian Way and Corellian Run; with 7 hours Tatooine to Alderaan, on class-1 drive, as something of a basis.
Also, assumed that each Class of hyperdrive was twice as fast as the previous one.
So class 0.5 would max out at 12,708 light years per hour (some 120 million times lightspeed) at good performance levels; whilst Class 1 would be only 60 million times lightspeed / 6354 light years per hour;
Class 2 would be be half that again, 3177 light years per hour.
Working down from that, we obtain:
Class 3: 1588.5 ly/ph
Class 4: 794 ly/ph
Class 6: 198.6 ly/ph
Class 7: 99.28 ly/ph (almost 1 million times lightspeed)
Class 8: 49.64 ly/ph
Class 10: 12.41 ly/ph
Class 12: 3.1 ly/ph
Class 15: 0.388 ly/ph and so on.
Travelling off the main routes, journey times will often average 20 times slower, I suspect, though.

And of course, the new movies make this even faster, typically.
Apparently WOTC also released some variable stats listing Coruscant to Mustafar as varying from 24 hours to 1452 hours, I hear?

 

Ironically for a while I think we've had the opposite problem for the clone wars, like as far as I recall the smaller ships (fighters aside) in the battle of Coruscant are the 825 meters long Munificent cruisers. The 3D show did remedy by introducing the Consular, Pelta and Arquitens classes to fill the gaps on the republic side, but I really wish we'd see the various armed corporate transports from AOTC more often.

 

I wouldn't mind seeing a combat version of the Diamond class cruiser, plus it might mean we find out which orientation it flies in; horizontal or vertical.

(image is from Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels)

There are a lot of smaller ships in the mod, but because it focuses on larger battles capital ships are the better choice to build, as they have more chance of surviving a battle - I find your pretty much guaranteed to lose a frigate during battles if it gets fired upon by enemy ships larger than it.

As for Homes Ones size. I believe the mod is using Curtis Saxton measurements, which place the ship at over 3km long. There is also a piece of concept art from REBELS which shows the ship as longer than a Star Destroyer (from memory I measured it to be around 1.9km).

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I'm pretty sure they shrunk the shuttle, as the hangar entrance and narrowest parts of the prow cutout are somewhere between 7m to 10m wide - this is based on some initial measurements I made using the Tie launch scenes. The Lambda shuttle itself is nearly 14m wide (Battlefront 2 model) which would make it too wide to fit through the entrance. Plus the shuttle is too tall (around 20m high in landing mode) to fit through the hangar bay entrance, as the entrance is not drastically taller than a Tie.

I think this image is a good illustration of how the shuttle has been shrunk, as it shows the shuttle in the launch tube and a Tie fighter just in front of the launch tube. Based on some crude measurements, the shuttle is at most 8m wide in this scene.

Edit: almost forgot to mention that if you don't take into account perspective the two ships are almost to scale with each other. Just thought that was slightly interesting

 

Whoa, That Commerce Guild cruiser is sweet. I have to look for more shots of that, dont recall seeing that anywhere! Thank you! for these!

 

Nice to see something of the Diamond-class (as used by the Diamond Dogs, and by Big Boss? Hmm, and what happened to Boss Bunjii...?)
Good also to find out the exact width, too, for comparison. I think in the Obsession-comic, in Legends, the Diamond was shown flying on it's wingtip, if I recall?
Also, I've seen estimates of between 497 and 650 metres on Reddit, etc, for the upper end scale of the super-Arquitens / Class-546 cruiser.
And for Lambda-class width, I recall old blueprints examined on the Technical Commentaries site imply a 47 feet / 14.326 metre width, when wings up?

 

It appeared very briefly in AOTC during the battle of Geonosis, apart from that I believe it hasn't had many other appearances.

Those estimates sound right if they're using the shuttle landing scene to measure the ship, as the ship needs to be around twice as large for shuttle to fit in the forward launch tube. Just as an example I rendered out this image comparing different size Arquitens to the shuttle, an X-Wing and Tie Fighters (the Tie with smaller panels is based off of the REBELS dimensions).

This is using a modified Battlefront 2 Arquitens, but it does show that because of the shuttles height, the Arquitens needs to be around 580m to fit it in the forward hangar; the width isn't as much of a problem, as the Mandalorian prow cutout widens near the hangar entrance (the entrance would need to be widened).

The width of the Lambda sounds about right, from my own measuring of the set blueprints (from the Technical Commentaries), I found that there was only a small difference in width (less than a metre) between it and the Battlefront 2 model that I'm using for comparisons.

 

Instead of scaling the Arquitens, could the shuttle be a variant of the standard that is smaller, and how small might that be then compared to regular shuttle?

 

It would need to be around half the size of a normal shuttle, which appears way to small compared to the cockpit interior and the scene of it landed next to slave 1.

 

I really wish they went for something like this.

 

And this all just shows to go that they should not have used the Arquitens...they should have put the resources into giving us a Gladiator in live action.


Gratuitous Fractalsponge Gladiator-class pic....

 

Every ship at the Battle of Exegol:

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Nice, but a few of those lengths may be a bit out of date. The TIE Scout, if it is identical to the Rogue One TIE, will be 7.24m long, not 6.3m. The X-Wing will be 13.4m, not 12.5m. Etc.

 

now all we need is @AdmiralNick22 to add his numbers to that chart so we know exactly how many of each were present!

 

Although they come from completely disparate sources, the Pelta, Bunkerbuster and Lothalian Corvette look really cool together there.

I used to kind of dismiss the Pelta as a really indifferent budget-conscious kitbash in TCW, but I've come to really love it.

 

Ah, I see. My mistake.

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Yes, that could work very well. Capital idea.

Same here. Really needed more corvette sized ships for the CIS, particularly ones with images